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Rewinding the Reels: A Tribute to the Defining Films of the 1990s
Discover the films that not only won our hearts but also shaped the very fabric of cinema in the 1990s. With the help of Max our reigning Oscar prediction king, we're embarking on a nostalgic and insightful odyssey through the decade's most influential movies. Get ready as we passionately debate, reminisce, and maybe even disagree on the top ten cinematic treasures that define an era. From indie darlings to groundbreaking blockbusters, we're peeling back the curtain on '90s film culture and its lasting impact on the industry and audiences alike.
Ride the wave of nostalgia with us as we defend sleeper hits and dissect cultural juggernauts like 'The Matrix' and 'Jurassic Park'. Will your personal favorite make our list? Join the conversation as we spotlight the evolution of Paul Thomas Anderson's storytelling, celebrate the meme-worthy 'Pulp Fiction', and delve into the transformative horror genre. Our discussion isn't just about the movies themselves—it's about how they've continued to resonate through the decades, from the indie genius of 'Clerks' to the unforgettable lines of 'Clueless'.
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Speaker 1:all right Max, you've done some thinking while on your victory lap a celebration.
Speaker 2:Many laps it's been many laps been running around downtown Tacoma.
Speaker 1:A celebration that started at the Grand Cinema Live on Oscar night. You polled the audience in person about a month ago. I'm sure you've had other conversations since then as well, and now the time has come to unveil your grand plan for this episode. So what do you have in store for us? I got a list. We're making a list.
Speaker 2:We love lists on this show and we are here to make a list, uh, representing the 1990s, a full decade. The idea is an alien comes down on their spaceship. They come to us because we are the greatest movie podcasts in the world. Obviously people know that, so do the aliens, and they say max, alex, what are the 10 movies that represent the years 1990 to 1999? The all decade team, thecade team. Right, they do this in sports all the time and it doesn't have to be like a movie from each year. Right, it's just the best of the best from that time.
Speaker 1:Right Like Duncan, kobe LeBron all played at the same time. They were all on the same decade team. It's not just one highlight, it's not the MVP from each year, yep, because you could just look that up. You could just look up the best pitcher winner, sure, from?
Speaker 2:the 90s to the 19th, up until 1999, but those necessarily might not be. Might not be it kind of you know what represents the 90s, right? You know what movies represent what cinema was during that decade and, as a fan of history and and a fan of of lists, this is what I have brought to the table lisps lisps and lists yes, tricky word to say this is. This is. This is what I have brought for you listeners. So you are, uh, lisps, lists and listeners you're all my favorites.
Speaker 1:I love this. I love this. I'm a little shocked that it's taken us until episode 198 to decide to do a list like this.
Speaker 2:Well, you know it takes a lot of work and takes a lot of thought and a lot of care. You know we are curators of film history.
Speaker 1:I do think you're right, though, because I I literally have three different lists here in front of me where I just have like a, a, a hot take, yes, from just my top 100 grabbed the first 10 90s movies that appeared. So I'm going to go through that. You have your list, and then I have like a four-year consideration list, and then I think there has to be a question about objectivity or being objective here, because you want some representation from different genres as well.
Speaker 2:Absolutely these aliens are going to leave cultured, very cultured, and I will say my long list is like 40 deep.
Speaker 1:Oh, for sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, you could make a top 50 if you wanted to. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean when I went through. Another way that I kind of always start these list making processes is I go through my physical collection and I'm like, how many movies do I have from the night? Because those that's usually a good, you know that signals Movies that live on.
Speaker 2:Yes, that signals live. Oh, yes, that signals this.
Speaker 1:This means not only something to me, but especially if it's on a boutique release or it's been re-released on 4K or something I'm like this is a movie that has stood the test of time. So then that's another question what made you because we can, we just, you know, we can go on and on. This thing can run. This has a lot long, long legs. What made you want to start here with the 90s, as opposed to doing like the 70s or maybe a more recent decade?
Speaker 2:You know, I think the 90s really, at least for you and I and the age group that we are in, which are true millennials, you know, the 90s are kind of the our 70s, right, those are the films that when we came of age we immediately went to. We've probably studied the 90s movies the most, I would agree, um, of of all the decades, um, and you know, I hope, I hope there are some other millennials listening to this show and hopefully they can be like, yes, that makes sense definitely going to be on my list right, and I also, too, think that if we were going to go back and do something like the 80s or the 70s, it wouldn't have that same.
Speaker 1:At least for our inaugural all decades team episode it wouldn't have the same. I think kind of what you're trying to say like a lived in experience where, like, we've seen the trajectory of a lot of these films, from whether it was a theater release that we were part of and like a theatrical run, and then onto the home video stage and then whatever it means to us.
Speaker 1:Now this is like that sweet spot right for us and also, too, going back to kind of the people who are making these films as if it were like the 70s for the generation before us, the 90s, these folks now they are like the elder statesman of cinema, ushering in a new decade or a new generation, I should say, of filmmakers. Okay, so this we want, what we want to do right and again not to come in and steal any snaps from you here in the huddle but this will be a tough one to quarterback.
Speaker 1:It's going to be hard, because what we want to do and I should grab a little scratch sheet of paper here we want to have a consensus yes, yeah, yeah, so we've, we've brought lists here today, both of us individually, but we definitely want to come up with a solid 10 together.
Speaker 2:Um, and you know, and again, I, I, we do want lots of representation, right, we want international films, we want indies, we want horror, we want drama, we want action, we want to touch everything. So it is going to take some. We might have to kill some babies, which is something you have to do.
Speaker 1:Well, it's really hard because there's some movies that I I mean not to spoil anything that won't make the list so early on, or I should say I hate to spoil something that won't make the list so early on. But you look at a movie like speed, for instance fantastic film, an incredible film from the 90s that I think, epitomizes 90s action movies right where it was. Just like you have a budding superstar in Keanu Reeves. You have a A-list supporting character in the Sandra Bullock role and it's a perfect movie.
Speaker 2:There's nothing wrong with speed for what it is yep it and like, very like you said, very 90s, very just exactly like the, the feel of it but it's the best.
Speaker 1:It's a perfect film, but is it the best version of a 90s action movie?
Speaker 1:I think I think keanu's probably got another movie that right, that probably will beat it out right um so really tough like these are going to be some of the conversations that we have, okay, so what I think would be helpful is to get our personal favorites on the table first, yes, so that we can just talk about those a little bit. It's funny because we just did our 1999 draft, or not a draft. We did the Oscars, reimagining the Oscars, redux from 1999. And I look at my list and I personally have four movies from the year 1999 in my top 25 of all time.
Speaker 2:Might be one of the greatest years of film of all time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think we talked about that on the 99 Oscars redo year, which I, as we continue to do this format, I wonder if the ninth year, like the end of the decade is always going to be extremely strong. Cause that's really interesting to think about. Cause I mean right away, you think about like 79, you know you at least got Halloween in there, which was monumental. Uh and and towards the end, you know star Wars was 77 or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, halloween, I want to say, might have been 78, but Alien was definitely 79. You had some others, yeah, but those last like two years because then you think about the 2000s.
Speaker 2:It'll be interesting to see and it's like 2007, 2008 were really strong.
Speaker 1:2017 and 2019 were both really strong. So, yeah, that's a yeah good, I like that picking up on that. Okay, so here's just what I'm going to do I'm going to go through like my top five on my personal list Okay, yeah, pause for reflection yes. You do your top five.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And we'll kind of go back and forth with that. That sounds good, so my favorite movie of all time. I've talked about this a lot on the podcast before the david lynch directed lost highway comes out in 1997 yeah so I mean, that was the first film I thought of when that, when we wanted to do this and that's interesting because I would say the strongest david lynch movies are not within this decade- he has wild at heart.
Speaker 1:He has the twin peaks, firewalk with me the film, and then he Highway. Well, he's also got the tractor movie.
Speaker 2:He's got the straight story, yeah, in 1999.
Speaker 1:Affectionately, referred to as the Disney tractor movie. Look it up, it's not a cartoon but, you know, like the movie that I always recommend people start with when it comes to David Lynch's Blue Velvet, and that would honestly probably be on the all decade 80s team.
Speaker 1:Right or and Mulholland Drive which is right at the turn of the century and into the 2000s, and so it's tough because I want to have a Lynch film on here. But I also don't think that any of those three films right there Lost Highway, wild at Heart or Twin Peaks, firewalk with me especially Twin Peaks peaks, fire walk with me, which I've just omitted from my list because that there's so many qualifiers that go in to to enjoying that film.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna ask these aliens to sit down and watch the entire series first, right twice right at least so.
Speaker 1:So lost highway favorite movie of all time, comes out in 1997. I don't think it should necessarily be on the all decade list and that just kind of hurts me because lynch probably goes unrecognized right then and on our final version, just kind of looking ahead but had to get up, had to get that out there. My second favorite film of all time, paul thomas anderson's magnolia from 1999. Now this will be. This will be one that I fight for, yeah, that I really fight for.
Speaker 2:But then it's interesting because there's another PTA film, this decade, which you could say is a masterpiece as well, absolutely, and it's interesting too because Magnolia I do feel like Magnolia has really grown since the 99 release.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:Whereas something like Boogie Nights, which came out in what 97, I believe, Six or seven, 96.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That movie was a hit from from the start, absolutely, and has lived on and and grown in in that estimation as well. Also, I, I also feel like those are two movies. It's really interesting. Pta is going to be coming out with a new movie here pretty soon uh, I think next year and those two movies are like two movies he doesn't really make anymore either. Right, right, and so which one? Or maybe magnolia is kind of what more he makes now, I don't know, but I feel like boogie nights is something he doesn't really touch anymore, and so it's kind of interesting to also think about that too and like we just does it in a different way because, like licorice pizza is almost like a boogie nights.
Speaker 1:Still rated our film, but it's like for the post high school crowd, they grew up in a very happy nostalgic time in the same area, in the Valley there. Yeah, Um, but completely different right, like way more sentimental.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so yeah, love Magnolia.
Speaker 1:Okay, my third film on my list, ninth favorite movie of all time, eyes Wide Shut, directed by Stanley Kubrick. Nothing more that needs to be said, really, about that.
Speaker 2:We'll see.
Speaker 1:Yep, the Talented Mr Ripley is next for me Fantastic film Number 25 on my top 100. It's also 1999. Just God, banger of a year. I then have Fargo. That's my 35th favorite film ever. So Fargo it's insane People are like you. Have all these ranked.
Speaker 2:Yes, I have all these ranked. That's what made an exercise like this almost so easy to go through.
Speaker 1:So those are my top five when it comes to personal favorites from the 90s lost highway magnolia, eyes wide shut, the talented mr ripley and fargo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was really smart. You went through your top 100 too and like ranked where these are at. I did not do that, um, but fargo. I will say fargo is on my list, my, my top, my, my initial top 10.
Speaker 1:Just, like gut reaction. I'm happy to go. Hey, listen, if we have films that are on both our lists, it should be on the ultimate list. Then you're a first ballot.
Speaker 2:First ballot ETI, and so Fargo was such a huge, huge thing in 95 and you know 96. 96, 96 and put the coen brothers on the map officially yes uh, also really kind of like exploded this noir kind of renaissance one of the best dark comedies. Dark comedy yeah, yeah, yeah, and and ageless right Like oh yeah, you can go watch that today and not know that it was 96.
Speaker 1:I mean I was just having a conversation with somebody about this decade in particular. There the IMDB rankings, rotten Tomatoes Wasn't really a thing, letterboxd obviously not a thing yet, but because these movies had all existed in a space of kind of just like hearsay or just kind of like if you know, you know you find out about it through a friend or a video store that you go to or whatever. You see it on staff recommended pics. But then something happens in the 2000. Obviously the internet explodes and these websites and these threads and these chats and these forms and all these places where you can find recommendations from strangers, but but strangers who you come to trust, because maybe you're already looking on the page of another film that you like and so things you know.
Speaker 1:They start to bubble up and then they become almost like the reputation of these movies becomes something larger than what it is, and so like we'll get to a movie that I have sort of in my for your consideration list a little bit later, but it's one that I did not see and that we covered on the podcast about two years ago because I watched it for my first time the podcast about two years ago, because I watched it for my first time and this is a movie that is like a top 10 imdb and letterboxd and all these different user polls. It's a. It's a movie that is ranked top 10 of all time. Right, I think I just came to that too late.
Speaker 1:To bring this full circle, I do not think that fargo is one of those that you can come to too late you show that to someone cold yeah today who's never seen it and maybe doesn't know anything about the coen brothers and they are going to be entranced by that film they're gonna be like. This shouldn't be that funny. This is actually like very suspenseful at times. The acting, the performances are outrageously fun, and so that's I I'm happy with actually that. You know, of all these films, fargo's maybe the first first ballot.
Speaker 2:I, yeah, I think it definitely is. Um, all right To to start off my list. Uh, and again I. I think I shared my list with you last night, but I've been doing some editing and moving around a little bit.
Speaker 1:I have the rough draft here in front of me, yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, so originally I had good fellas, like that's the first movie to come to my mind, but I've written down here or casino, what, and, and that I feel like that is a? Uh, a discussion and a debate between real like cinephiles, cine heads, uh, which one is better? Because goodfellas is like the, I feel like it is the mainstream text for a scorsese film, scorsese being, you know, one of the greats of all time. Uh, however, there is, there is that take out there where Casino is the better movie. Now, I know you have mixed feelings about Goodfellas.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't necessarily have mixed feelings about it, I am just in the camp of I like Casino better as an overall film.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah, that was at the top of the list. That does not mean listen.
Speaker 1:Goodfella people, goodfellas people. That does not mean, that does not mean listen, goodfellow people, goodfellas people that does not mean that I don't think yeah, that, that does not mean he doesn't think you're a clown that I don't.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm not trying to be funny here I'm just saying that I am a casino guy over a goodfellas person but at the same time I think that you don't get casino without goodfellas and goodfellas feels like such a culmination of something like mean streets and everything else that he had been working towards up until the turn of the century, because goodfellas is, I believe, 1990, 90, so like it just makes the cut here right and and like it is kind of the yeah, it's kind of like he he's never really been able to maybe capture goodfellas or that moment at least in movie culture, in mainstream movie culture since goodfellas, and that's why people did not like casino when it first came out, because they thought that's what he was just trying to do.
Speaker 1:Right, bring it. Get the gang back together, right with with pesci and de niro yeah and and yet guess what? You didn't know how good you had it. Second on the list, because now he's going 0 for 30 at the Oscars.
Speaker 2:Year after year, it's so sad, it's so sad, and he tried to do it again in 2019 with the Irishman.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, second on the list on my list is Jurassic Park, a movie that again has stood the test of time, again from one of our great filmmakers, steven spielberg, who is just massive in the 90s and represents a lot of of really good films throughout the 90s. But jurassic park is is one of those films that, like, people watch and they're like how, how does this look good still? How is this still thrilling like?
Speaker 1:how is this, how does this look better than a lot of the stuff exactly today?
Speaker 2:yeah, and and so because of that, it is a. It's a huge moment in movie history just for the technology that was used, but it continues to live on and it is also like I think we were talking about this a couple episodes ago it's a. It's a. It's like a gateway movie into a bunch of other genres that you didn't know you, you liked that. You didn't know you, you liked. If you don't know, you like horror and you watch something like Jurassic Park. I mean some of that, some of that Raptor stuff when.
Speaker 2:Laura Dern is is down looking for the power grid or whatever that is that is a gateway into horror.
Speaker 1:I mean the opening sequence is like a. It's a slasher film with the raptors in the cage. It's really, really effective. In that sense, I love the objectiveness of your top ten and I think that there are two on your list that should be first ballot Hall of Famers for the impact that they had on movie productions going forward, and Jurassic Park is one of those, so we can have a conversation about which one goes in first and now maybe both of them are going to end up in there, but I think that one of these two and I think you probably know the other one that I'm talking about when we're just speaking towards the advancements in the field and what?
Speaker 1:these two films did. Jurassic Park's the first one, there's another one to come, and then I think we got to put one of them in like as soon as possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, uh, the next film, uh, the third film on the list is blair witch project, which, again 99 correct 99, just a banner year um, but again such an important moment in movie culture and movie history where it ignites this found footage, this passing of tapes, this viral viral viral campaign. Before viral campaign of where you don't know if it's real or if it's fake.
Speaker 1:It was like on the evening news, it was in newspapers yeah, the internet talked about a little bit yet, aolcom or whatever, but like yes, this spread like wildfire yes, and and it is.
Speaker 2:it is an important text to to the 90s, that that at that moment also like made on a just a tiny budget, budget by no name, people who never made anything else, so extremely independent, which the nineties is also very representative of, like a huge indie boom throughout the whole decade Post Sundance boom, for sure, yeah. So yeah, blair Witch is up there for me. Number four another 99 movie the Matrix.
Speaker 1:Here's the other one. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, the advancements in the technology. We now have the superstar Keanu Reeves cemented as a superstar and kind of the idea I mean we talked about this on the 99 Oscars the, the, the idea of of a, that we are living in a matrix, the Y2K scare like all of it and being afraid of technology before being afraid of technology was such a popular thing to do in movies for sure. Yeah, the Matrix. Matrix is a very important movie to the decade. And then my number five was Fargo.
Speaker 1:Fargo. So Fargo is in, and so now I think we have the. We need to have the Jurassic park and awards matrix.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it's inductee ceremony, it's it's it's hard, it's hard to do. You know, I think my my heart wants to go with Jurassic Park, because Jurassic Park is one of those films that, like, made me interested in film Right and I think there's an entire generation. Totally.
Speaker 1:That maybe spans like 15 years. That probably agrees with you, yeah, however. You had had people that were watching movies because Jurassic Park, I mean give it some. I mean not that we're not giving you credit, but like give it some fucking credit because it comes six years prior to the Matrix and what they were able to do with. Vfx.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so that part of it is really impressive and I think you just have from in 1993, you still had people who were diehard cinephiles from the 70s, still really paying attention to movie culture, and they just never seen anything like this no one has ever seen anything about the 80s and the 90s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, um, you know, and, and I this is like an odd, might be an odd qualifier, but steven spielberg makes jurassic park and schindler's list in the same year, right, which is an incredible feat schindler's list is in my four-year consideration, totally uh yeah, it's on.
Speaker 2:It's on the top 50 for sure. Um, I personally, you know, I think jurassic park has way more staying power than that movie. Um, just from a entertainment value. Um, but the may. But going up against the Matrix. Listen, I'm in film school. They teach the Matrix in film school. We watch it in screenwriting class for the writing. So you know, yeah, it's really difficult to choose, but we got to kill one of our babies.
Speaker 1:Or we put Jurassic Park in as green. Yeah, because I think that that is. I think just because it came first, I think because of how it helped bridge Steven Spielberg's career from the 80s and some of the more family friendly stuff like ET and Close Encounters, while still you know being going to stay ahead of the curve and be able to continue to make films into the next decade and into the decade after that. And you, you kind of can't say the same about the wachowskis, which is too bad I think that a lot of the same energy right right big spielberg energy big.
Speaker 1:I know we hate george, we don't hate george lucas, but just kind of like that that visionary energy was. It was pulsating off of the matrix and you know I'm a cloud atlas fan yeah, and a defender but.
Speaker 2:But we just haven't really seen it yeah, that's, that's a great point, that's a great point and so.
Speaker 1:So I kind of think we should put jur Park green, okay, and then we'll keep the Matrix yellow for now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Okay. So Jurassic Park second inductee, I like that. Okay. So now we'll go back and kind of round out our personal slash gut reaction top 10 list. So mine then goes King of New York that's my 55th favorite movie ever. Then goes king of new york it, that's my 55th favorite movie ever. Um abel ferrara's story of frank white, christopher walken as this, this king of harlem and this crime lord that comes back from a stint in prison. I think that these, I love these kind of movies first of all. Yeah, and I actually have two of them on my list. But the really gritty crime thrillers were going crazy in the late 80s and early 90s.
Speaker 1:I mean from the late 80s you had things like New Jack City. You have Boys in the Hood, you have Menace to Society Paid in Full. Another one I don't want to spoil quite yet on my list Kingdom of New York. And Kingdom of New York is just my favorite version of these kind of movies, and again ones that you don't really get anymore.
Speaker 1:And I think that they were kind of the. I don't want to, I don't think that this was at all intentional, but it was just a different side to like the Sundance crime thrillers that you were getting from, like tarantino making something or the coen brothers making something that like can play the festivals because there's a level of prestige to it.
Speaker 1:None of these drug crime films were going for anything like that and yet when I watch king of new york I'm like this is the best movie ever made, and so that's just on my personal list. Next number seven on my top 10 is pulp fiction, as is mine. You also have it there. I think this is kind of a no-brainer yes it's either probably this or reservoir dogs.
Speaker 1:I know jackie brown is like the, the qt heads right kind of go-to now, but like you show somebody every time I rewatch Pulp Fiction I'm always thinking like it's not going to hit the same I'm going to get tired of you know whatever.
Speaker 2:Nope, doesn't happen. So, and again, another one that has lived on and like. I think also it's important to think about like, and this is such a 2024 observation in a weird world that we live in, but like, meanable, right, memeable, oh yes the memes continue, yeah, with something like pulp fiction right, great, you know, just like screenshots from the movie.
Speaker 1:Yep, um, great, great, just one-liners that can be captioned, yeah, and kind of turned into anything.
Speaker 2:So I just wrote it down, I think it's I think it's definitely again on both of our lists of the list.
Speaker 1:It's the first ballot and then my bottom three heat 1995, fantastic classic. And then I have lehine. So here we go. So I love now we're. Now we're getting a little international.
Speaker 2:This is on my long list. Honestly, I've never seen Lahine.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Lahine Lahine, and I know that it's an extremely important film and it's high on the watch list. I just your boy hasn't gotten to it, it's okay, but I was so happy to see it on your top 10 yeah, I mean I got it 76th overall, yeah in my top 100 um this.
Speaker 1:I think I've talked about this film on the pod before as being my gateway into the criterion collection.
Speaker 1:An older cousin got this for me like 22nd birthday or something like so again, that's why it's on the personal list. But then I mean I I also have in another window here pulled up like the IMDB top 250 narrative features based on user polls. Number 16 for them. That's huge, that's incredible. Now I'm not here to say it's the 16th best movie ever made. That's insane. But it's not far off. But you know it's not far off If the people demand it.
Speaker 2:I think we put it yellow.
Speaker 1:Okay. Because, again, we do want to represent yes Across the board right and then to round out my top 10, again. Now this is kind of like the lost highway, but on a far less experimental level and yet still very experimental. But I have the Hype Williams belly from 1998.
Speaker 2:I should have known.
Speaker 1:This ranks number 81 on my top 100. And the last time I watched it I watched it a couple of years ago when DMX unfortunately passed away. You know, and I'm like golly this is it's like nothing I've. It's just like no movie you've ever seen before. The way it's shot. It's shot like a music video and not in the way that, like David Fincher shoots some things like a music video.
Speaker 1:This is like an extended form playing with cinematography, playing with aspect ratio, playing with lighting, and it just works. Everything just came together. Cinematography, playing with aspect ratio, playing with lighting, and it just works. Everything just came together. Nas is pretty bad in this movie but for as as um just kind of like on script as he is, you feel like dmx is just completely well, and dmx went on to have a.
Speaker 2:He wasn't. He had fun there for a while b action movie, yes, he certainly did.
Speaker 1:Leading man. So I love Belly. Any chance I get to shout out Belly, I'm going to do it. But I mean King of New York, as I just said, I think is the most successful version of those drug crime thrillers from the 90s, and so I just was going by the numbers though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the numbers guy.
Speaker 1:And Belly was sitting there though yeah, numbers guy and belly was sitting there, let me tell you one I'm so surprised wasn't on your list is seven, so it's just not in my top 100. And because I mean I could pull up, I know I have my fincher ranking here really close to me somewhere, when I had when I do um, I feel like seven is like domino's pizza for you, though you eat it all the time.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing I'm looking. I'm looking at my my um fincher list right now and I have well, that's too bad. Actually it is my second on here. It's listed as my second, but currently, right now, I don't think it's actually my second fincher movie. This list needs revision because I have the social network, and then I would probably put gone girl and dragon tattoo above seven, above seven, yeah. And then go zodiac killer fight club, put Gone Girl and Dragon Tattoo above Seven Above. Seven, yeah. And then goes Zodiac Killer Fight Club Panic Room.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I don't know. You know, Seven is one of those where every time you rewatch it, you can't find anything wrong with it. Very much so, so yeah, and then also too Fincher's, somebody that in the 90s was really hitting their stride. I didn't mention the game just now, but the game comes out as well yeah, panic room, or panic rooms early 2000s yeah, but but no, he was, yeah, hitting his stride, making things happen, um, but.
Speaker 1:But that just rounds up my my personal top 10. So so, from from that latest installment we've added pulp fiction, and in yellow now we have um laying yep, so yeah, so seven is is on my list.
Speaker 2:Uh, pulp fiction was right behind it, and then comes titanic now which, again, this is your objectiveness really shining through, listen and and, to be honest, I saw titanic in theaters last year that movie fucking rips. It's awesome. That movie is really awesome.
Speaker 1:And again, especially the back half at night the back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, once, once the sun goes down and we hit the iceberg like we are off, uh and running and we want to be on that sinking ship for the rest of the rest of the night. Um, and again, such a gigantic movie at that time when it, when it comes out, and a huge leap forward in technology. You know jim cameron, he has what three, I think three releases in the 90s and some people are going to be like, wow, you know, I've been gonna. You know, terminator 2, titanic, is a more titanic movie than than terminator it's.
Speaker 1:It's lived on more it's definitely lived on.
Speaker 2:Every single house I went to as a kid had the double. Vhs of Titanic Yep, every single house. When people bought physical media, that was something you put on your shelf, yep. Um so yeah, I mean, titanic is, I think, really important to the decade.
Speaker 1:And it's one of the most successful Oscar films of all time. Yep. And launches the career of two stars and kate, that we've had with us since since then, yep, I mean they of course were doing things already, but like into the stratosphere, absolutely, I think titanic goes yellow if not like mate we I don't know we'll go through our yellows here in a minute yeah um, but it it's really strong.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, it's like gold, it's king of the world. Okay, and then the last two on my list are much more personal favorites, like your Belly, or King of New York, which is Before Sunrise, which, again I think from an indie standpoint you know, really announces Richardard link link later onto the scene.
Speaker 1:Well, there's another film of his in the 90s that I have under for your consideration now.
Speaker 2:Dazed and confused. Oh, dazed and confused. Oh yes, I do have that on the list, but you know link later.
Speaker 1:He is. I think you're absolutely right, though, because he's one of these guys.
Speaker 2:He's one of these guys coming out of the independent scene and who has stuck around, he's been around, he's got a new movie coming out this summer and he just inducted did you hear this? He just inducted glenn powell into the texas film hall of fame wow, perhaps glenn's highest honor to date. Get ready for a glenn powell summer twisters and hitman.
Speaker 1:I'm not lying to you. I re-watched the trailer last night for twisters. I'm telling you, this is the new bit.
Speaker 2:I'm watching it first thing in the morning.
Speaker 1:I'm bringing up twisters on every episode between now and july 19th, just because don't face your fears you write them. That is good when it breaks down. At the end it goes t and then it shows a quick cut of a, c, w another. I'm just like. I get goosebumps every time we're not kidding, yeah there's like a there's some rodeo happening or something, and like a bronco kicks up in the air and I'm just like let's go twins.
Speaker 2:We got twins. I can't I can't wait. Oh, that's gonna be just uh, that's gonna be glorious, uh. And then the last film is something we kind of touched on earlier boogie nights.
Speaker 1:Yep, this is going yellow too, because pta needs a movie pta has to, has to be represented.
Speaker 2:Uh, and it really just comes down to as much as we love heartache. It comes down to boogie nights and magnolia. Um, yeah, yeah. So yeah, these are the these are from, from like the personal takes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the initial my personal takes okay, um so sheesh, our, our three, our three, hall of famers, our three all decade films so far fargo, jurassic park and pulp fiction yes, I think that's, those are non-negotiable.
Speaker 1:basically they're not moving right. In yellow we have the matrix, lahane, seven titanic, boogie nights and magnolia. So of those, unfortunately, I think well, I mean, we'll see but I think that there's a strong case to be made for all of them. Basically, except for Boogie Nights and Magnolia, I think kind of one of those has to go. Okay, here's my for your consideration list now. Yes, okay, I have from 1996, scream.
Speaker 2:I also have that on, and now this becomes a conversation.
Speaker 1:I think between Scream and the Blair Witch Project. Totally Scream saves the horror genre.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And then, much like Titanic did for Jim and Leo and everyone else involved in that scream sets the table. And then I think the Blair witch project launches horror into the next stratosphere and and really starts things off for this run of you know, in the 2000s we do get very remake heavy and sequel heavy and things like that, but they're all chasing scream, but they're all, and they're all chasing scream except blair, witch blair, which was like doing something new and different so I don't know just, and I feel like the blair witch chase doesn't start until something like paranormal activity in 2007ivity Paranormal Activity in 2007.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Okay then Shawshank Redemption here's the one that in 1994, good year for movies but it's the one that I referenced earlier. Watched it for the first time about two years ago and there's nothing wrong with that movie. But when I look at these IMb list and the letterboxd list and rotten tomatoes and it's competing with, like the godfather and some kurosawa films and other other just like kind of odd. I just don't get it.
Speaker 2:It's not one I returned to no. Um, you know I was happy to show it to you for your first time and that that was exciting, but it's not one that I'm ever just like on a Sunday afternoon like, hey honey, let's, let's fire up Shawshank.
Speaker 1:No, because it's also I like I don't know, I just right Cause I don't feel like it's I don't understand. I guess I shouldn't say it's just not very rewarding, like it's not that I don't get it, it's a great story of resiliency and and a friendship.
Speaker 2:To me it kind of exists in the same um orbit as Forrest Gump.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is also 1994, which is really funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Both of those movies and again huge movies in the nineties.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Huge moments Yep, um, yeah, both of those movies. And again, huge movies in the 90s, oh yeah, huge moments, yep, um and on on a lot of top films of all time lists. But those movies again, are those movies the ones we want to show these aliens like?
Speaker 1:no, I mean justens, I would never show you Forrest Gump, I do not think that's a good movie, yeah. But like when? Yeah, the Shawshank is competing with something like Seven Samurai or City of God, or Come and See 12 Angry Men, and it's right there. I'm looking at the Letterboxd list right now. It's number 10, all time Unbelievable. And guess what? It's number 10, all time unbelievable. It's, and guess what? It's just not. It's just not not for me.
Speaker 2:Um, but on the four-year consideration list, totally okay, these next two can't wait to hear what you think about these I have from 1995, toy story and from 1994, the lion king so I I was playing around with this, I I didn't know if I wanted to go lion king or beauty and the beast fair, because beauty and the beast kind of almost like launch relaunches the renaissance of disney animation films and has a huge moment at the oscars, because I think it was beauty and the beast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because beauty and the beast gets nominated for best picture, and I believe you also had the little mermaid either year before or year after yeah and then the lion king is really when the lion king is kind of the apex and kind of the one that has lived on, so back yeah, and has has lived on, uh, past those, those other two films I would say you know and is, like the, probably the favorite of those of that era of disney, yeah, so very important toy story as well on my long list, because again.
Speaker 1:It gets a special achievement award at the Academy. Awards because they didn't have Best Animated Feature yet, and still the need to recognize that movie for once again it's achievements. Pixar Animation Studios much like we're talking about Jurassic Park and the Matrix and what they did for the technology moving forward. Nobody had ever seen anything like Toy.
Speaker 2:Story before and sets them off on a 30-year run. Now, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I then have from 1992, A Few Good Men.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I have from 1997, more Animation Satoshi Kon's Perfect Blue.
Speaker 2:I like that poll. I like that poll, I like that poll.
Speaker 1:From 1993, dazed and Confused. 1994, wong Kar-wai's Chungking Express, his best film, and then from 1998, someone whose name we haven't mentioned yet. Maybe not their strongest decade, probably not their strongest decade, but we have Terrence Malick in the thin red line and now you could say Saving Private Ryan. But I went back to our military, our war film bracket, and we've put our foot, we've put our boot in the ground for a long time now, and we've said that the thin red line is the more complete military historical drama.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's not to say the Saving Private Ryan isn't fantastic, but we're the thin red line over here on this side we're holding the thin red line, so those are my four-year consideration films.
Speaker 2:Four-year consideration. I have Hoop Dreams. Yes, Great. A monumental documentary that comes out in the middle of the 90s Really dives into the power and the heartbreak of sports and being a sports kid, especially in a poverty area.
Speaker 1:I also have Princess Mononoke, yes, uh, and we had been texting about this one as well too where it's like, if there's room, I think we got to get it in. Yeah, I mean, and this does a lot of what we're kind of trying to, at least like what I was trying to say with having toy story, having the lion king, but then also having something like perfect blue. We're now blending this, this animation that looked that was just starting to look so good in the 90s, with also an international and on our miyazaki number episode it's number one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's his best film. Yeah, um, I also have uh unforgiven, yeah. Uh, which is probably clint Eastwood's apex. Uh, which is hard to believe because he's he's gotta be. You'd think he'd stop.
Speaker 1:You think you would have stopped with unforgiving?
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause he was like he cleans up at the Oscars, right, but no, he's got juror number two coming out here pretty soon.
Speaker 1:We'll do a whole lap on that, listeners, don't worry.
Speaker 2:Right after our fourth twisters pod um, a film I started to watch, uh, and, and you know, regrettably I've never seen the whole way through, but I know it's talked about in many circles as a one of the greats of the nineties the piano by Jane Campion, uh, and by by, you know, for as much as I watched and I didn't turn it off because I wasn't enjoying it, I just had to go to bed I absolutely beautiful film, um, and you know, again, representation is important. Jane campion is someone who again has kind of like existed in this indie space for the past three or four decades, finally gets her her, her win, her oscar win for power of the nap, you know, a couple years ago, yeah, um, and you know, the piano can, you know, be a little sleepy, but but again something to look look at as far as, like the indie scene, the Sixth Sense, another horror, monumental horror.
Speaker 1:Shit, I didn't even think of that one. That happened in the 90s Just talked about that movie too, yeah.
Speaker 2:And really, you know, exploded M Night Shyamalan onto the scene and is an important text. I think, uh, you know, it's really Sixth Sense. Scream and Blair. Witch and one of those three have to go in agreed um, I would also. You know, there's also something to be said about if we're going really indie clerks, um, which isn't. It's so funny. I'm such a kevin smith fan the man, the man I am such a fan of. I don't really care for his films yeah I don't really care for clerks.
Speaker 2:Um, it hasn't aged well, I'll tell you that much now there's most of his stuff, yeah and but it is such an important, especially to film school kids, to independent filmmakers who are just starting out, just because of the legend that he has created on his own about just talking about the making of that film and was a huge, was a again a huge sundance darling, and really like gave a whole generation like, oh, hope, yeah, this guy made movies, made a movie on a bunch of credit cards and now he's going to work in movies for the rest of his life, which he has um, uh, what else do I have?
Speaker 2:I also have Heat on here on the long list. You know, the Big Lebowski is up there. Clueless is a 90s text that you have to pay attention to.
Speaker 1:Leon the Professional, the Mummy Again another like Leon's way down there on my top 100.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like past belly, but it was on there for me, yeah.
Speaker 2:Silence of the Lambs being John Malkovich, Boys in the Hood, which I know we touched on earlier. Armageddon Ever heard of it? Yeah, so yeah, I don't know it's going to be really hard. How many do we have green? We only have three, right.
Speaker 1:Boys in the hood Cause, that's one that I think almost does toe the line, and I know we mentioned it earlier, but I was just so excited to be talking about King of New York, but hearing you say boys in the hood again, that does almost have that level of Prestige, yeah, prestige behind it too, and it's something that, again, repertory theaters are still showing today. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We are still getting Boys in the Hood showings in theaters Went to one a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1:Yep, okay, well, based off of your list there, I've added Princess Mononoke, the Sixth Sense, clueless and Boys in the Hood. I think the important thing about Clueless is that what Clueless would almost do is it captures a lot of what was also happening on television, with shows like Friends and all the sitcoms, or 9120 or 90210. Yeah, that's it um, so that there's something to be said about that.
Speaker 1:It's because that captures a part of pop culture that nothing else on this list because that's a that's a, that's a snapshot of the 90s, because if you were gonna do, it's a period when you watch it, now it's a period right the 90s. Because if you were going to do it's a period piece when you watch it, now it's a period piece, right, but that's almost something that goes against Boogie Nights then if you think about it Because Boogie. Nights is like a 70s movie. It's a 90s movie pretending to be a 70s movie.
Speaker 2:Right Right, clueless is a 90s movie being a 90s movie, it is a 90s movie. Same with Boys in the Hood. Yeah, honestly, I'm ready to put Clueless green. Let's put Clueless green. I think so.
Speaker 1:I think Clueless goes on the list. I love that call.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why we talk it out. That's why we talk it out. Okay, so we're making moves now?
Speaker 1:yeah, I, I think that. I think that the argument even though boogie nights may be the better pta film, but it's a it's it's going back to the, its portrayal of the 70s makes it feel less of a 90s movie in comparison to magnolia and you saying that and me hearing it in my ears I live on the pod.
Speaker 2:I agree, yeah, I agree, I think, magnolia, I, I think you're right.
Speaker 1:When we're again, we're trying to be objective, we're trying to build what represents the 90s the best, and a movie about the 70s made in the 90s although one of the great movies of the 90s for sure doesn't represent the 90s right right, which then is interesting because now we still have we have this like special effects conversation, still with something like the matrix, which is almost set like in a future right, versus titanic, which is obviously a period piece as well, but what they're both doing, for the art is, is monumental. So so there's that conversation to be had. You have once again this, this like crime thriller space that lahane and seven are both occupying and well and something like king of new York right.
Speaker 1:And the King of New York, or Boys in the Hood Boys in the Hood Right. I think, then, what we need to do next. I think we need to. We need to pin down what is going to be our horror inductee.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sixth Sense versus the Blair Witch versus Scream. And then and then animated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Between Mononoke Toy Story and the Lion King.
Speaker 1:Perhaps, maybe even Beauty and the Beast.
Speaker 2:I think Lion King is the right pick there. We're going to pick something from that.
Speaker 1:Let's go off of the horror films, let's go to that, let's go to that discussion first. A lot of credit goes to Scream, I think, for being the AED to the genre and zapping some life back into what and I mean this goes back to one of our very first episodes, but when we did the all decade horror film team for the 90s.
Speaker 1:It was real sad from 90 to 96 until scream came out yeah, so it gets a ton of credit for that the blair witch for what it did found footage, independent horror films but then also the six cents for what it did launching m night shaw malone's career being prestigious enough to compete at the oscars and like so many different categories. I was so fun doing the redux episode and being like you know we're keeping the six cents here.
Speaker 2:And we're keeping it here because how cool is this?
Speaker 1:to see the representation, so I don't know when are you leaning.
Speaker 2:So it's interesting, I think, because we have Clueless in, I think that bumps out Scream.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting, because I do think that it has those. Scream does have some of that. Yeah, elements Right Cause of the high school kids and we're gain, or group or whatever.
Speaker 2:Um or click.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're in California. Screen takes place in like Napa area, I'm pretty sure yeah.
Speaker 2:And although scream may be the best horror movie of the nineties I think it does, I think I think it it goes to the side here's the other thing too the blair witch project in the right setting.
Speaker 1:Plug your phone in in another room, wait until 10 o'clock at night, watch that movie with the sound cranked up. Yep, immerse yourself. The blair witch project is still. It is one of those movies that can still scare you screams not really scary per se it's fun. It's so much fun, right, but as far as like effective horror film making, that that's the Blair Witch Project.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yep, green Blair Witch, you good with that, yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, sorry. Sixth Sense, yeah yeah. I mean hell of a movie, hell of a moment. Do we ever reach the heights of Sixth Sense again? I mean maybe Signs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe Signs Unbreakable to follow was really good, you know yeah okay, I feel good about that though. Blair Witch is in which gives us six Hall of Famers right now six all decade team members Fargo, jurassic Park, pulp Fiction, clueless, magnolia and the Blair Witch Project. I really like that so far, so now we're getting. We gotta have this crime conversation. I think of these movies that we have that are yellow. And then also, is there still room to get like the Matrix in there?
Speaker 1:Maybe we just put the Matrix green right now and then that makes some of these other decisions easier.
Speaker 2:Didn't we give it best picture?
Speaker 1:We did on the Redux.
Speaker 2:I think we have to stand by our, by our voices. I'm with that. Yeah, I think matrix has to go in the matrix is in there as our seventh now.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we have lahein, we have seven, we have boys in the hood okay, we don't need to have king of new york in this conversation.
Speaker 2:Okay, um, I think I think seven I think you're right that seven although it is a frisco freeze cheeseburger and it's good every time you eat it I think seven can be pushed aside.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I think I I do think fincher reaches new heights in decades to come yes, yeah, as much as we love seven, yeah, but it's the first of, it's the first peak in a, in a career full of really high heights.
Speaker 2:So then we have lahane and boys in the hood and I, honestly, I kind of have to default to you here because you have seen both movies.
Speaker 1:You own both times.
Speaker 2:Yep um how many spots.
Speaker 1:The hain is just so good because it's it's shot in beautiful black and white. Yeah, I love the international appeal. We've yet to induct an international film. We we get a great all-in-one day premise. Vincent cassell starring the making. Like his energy is, it jumps off the screen. It's palpable in this movie. Is there room for both? There's not room for both, because we still have to get an animated movie in here Right and yeah.
Speaker 1:And then we still have to figure out if Titanic earns a spot. Yeah, if something like days and confused earns a spot for like later. I'm just kind of going back to our I list.
Speaker 2:The fugitive is still out there.
Speaker 1:The fugitive is still out there, he's still running from something. I mean something, we don't have good fellas or casino in here yet. Yeah, that's also kind of crime too. Right, absolutely, absolutely, but a different kind, a different, a different kind of crime too right.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, Absolutely.
Speaker 1:But a different kind, a different, a different kind the seven, the sevens of the world. Yeah, boys in the hood. There's so much heart in boys in the hood. Golly, this is really tough. I don't know if I can have that conversation yet. Okay, let's go to animation. Let's go animation.
Speaker 2:I want to do princess mononoke, so I was thinking the same thing. Yeah, as as I, I think lion king can go. I think that's an easy push off. Toy story is is what's pulling me between that and princess. However, I might watch, think mononoke again. What we we have already from from studying the films of miyazaki we have agreed that that is the gold standard. Um, this is timeless message. I don't know if toy story, the original toy story, is the gold standard of pixar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is?
Speaker 2:an episode we have yet to do, but Princess Mononoke, and it gets the international appeal in there and again, just kind of a film. I also love the environmental, environmental angle of it. Right, the message I mean like Toy Story.
Speaker 1:That's great, be nice yeah be friends, that's your parents everyone in the world is teaching you that already absolutely. Mononoke is like guess what deforestation is real people? Okay, mother nature needs us. Yes people um, okay, mononoke is in mononoke which now we have.
Speaker 1:We have eight now right, golly, we have eight and we got to get a scorsese film in there and then we got to get one of our. I think we have to get either one of our other crime films in there yeah, just don't, I want to make sure or or okay, yeah, see, this is really tough about getting 10. Are we aware that something then like titanic, a few good men chunking express the thin red line?
Speaker 2:being john malkovich john malkovich.
Speaker 1:Are we all okay with these not being in there? Chunking Express is so good and it's. It's one of those movies that like at the end of it you're just kind of smiling and you're like ah movies and like love and just really it's just kind of perfect. Like not kind of perfect, but it's just like that's one where you don't almost have to set the stage. You could watch that at any time. You could watch that when you're in any mood.
Speaker 1:And you just leave it feeling so good, no other movie on our list. I mean for different reasons. I think you leave something like Fargo and you're just like so entertained by what you saw. Same with, like Pulp Fiction or whatever. Mononoke gives you a lot of hope, though, yeah. Fiction or whatever mononoke gives you a lot of hope, though yeah, um, but we, we kind of don't have that like that feel-good movie on here, because it's certainly not blair witch, it's not jurassic park, it's definitely not magnolia, you're, you're.
Speaker 1:You leave those having a lot of you, leave those feeling like, wow, the power of the movies, right, yeah, yeah. But now again, is that maybe do we need to have, like that, that hangout movie? I don't know, I don't know, because that that kind of goes against chunking or days and confused or something like, something along those lines, even almost like a Titanic.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know, this is so hard and I don't want to eat. And the thing too, at the end of this I don't want to be like and so are honorable mentions like no, no, no, no, no, the 10 or the 10 the 10 or the 10. Okay, I guess the narrowest discussion is between goodfellas and or casino okay so if you know, if an if.
Speaker 1:If someone has come down, if someone has come down to earth and they've maybe never seen like a crime film, they've never seen a scorsese movie before, and you show them goodfellas, they're gonna be blown away. Blown away and again the casino thing that I mean. They're both period pieces, right, they are, and they don't. Neither of them take place necessarily in the time that they're depicting right. I think that's less noticeable in goodfellas, absolutely because which?
Speaker 1:gives goodfellas the edge if we're sticking true to like our pta discussion yeah and goodfellas I mean, he should have won best director for goodfellas, should have won best film, yeah uh ray liato should have won best actor.
Speaker 2:He's incredible in it. Uh deniro should have won best supporting pesci did, should have won, the did win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right yeah um, yeah, and I I just wrote it in okay, it's in, goodfellas is in. You just gotta pull the trigger on some of these.
Speaker 1:I know it's so tough, which leaves one spot left then for either oh my gosh, there's still so much titanic days and confused and confused behind boys in the hood, boys in the hood chunky dreams hoop dreams.
Speaker 2:One of the best not only sports docs but just documentaries ever right kind of the gold standard of document, one of the gold standards of documentaries.
Speaker 1:It really is documentary filmmaking. It'll teach these aliens um a lesson in patience as well too, listen.
Speaker 2:It's like four hours, four hours sit down, yeah get comfortable.
Speaker 1:This is popcorn enjoy. Um, yeah, I'm just kind of looking back it.
Speaker 2:I mean townsend, mr ripley eyes wide shut, eyes wide shut. What are we doing?
Speaker 1:goodwill hunting was also on the long list, I'm just saying now yeah the sandlot a lot of good movies almost re-watched the sandlot and the big green this past weekend really ended up on heavyweights.
Speaker 2:Heavyweights has been in my vocabulary a lot lately. I don't know why that movie keeps coming up. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know who's listening disney plus is kind of out of pocket right now with the stuff that they have on there. You need quality control, they need to go back and I know they've cleaned up all the old animated stuff and put warnings before. You know the depiction of these people is not you know, representative of how we feel. Now we understand that there's an appropriate language and some of these heavy weights hello, oh my gosh, fat shaming to the ninth degree, yeah, which we were doing a lot in the 90s.
Speaker 2:We were doing a lot of stellar just, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1:He's unbelievable. Um, yeah, he's really funny in that movie. Okay, okay, wow. I don't know if I can leave. I don't know if I can let this pot end without getting eyes wide shut in there. Yeah, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2:I mean kubrick probably. Yeah, it's his last film it takes place in the 90s. It's got tom cruise and nicole kidman and nicole kidman top of their game. It is, might be, I don't know. Where does it land in the coop? We've never done a kubrick. We'll do it for his next film, jesus christ. Where does it land in the kubrick rubric? You know?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I mean for me personally, it's my top rated kubrick film but that's also in a top 50 that is littered with kubrick movies. And now again, that is much more personal taste, obviously. Yeah, like if I was going to sit down and objectively say, like that's certainly not the kubrick movie, I would start people with right, they would never watch. They might not watch another movie again in their life, um, but you know, like you cannot deny the power of 2001, right? Uh, the shining, the shining, right.
Speaker 2:So I, I think honestly for me it comes down to titanic, okay, and eyes wide shut okay and two monster filmmakers, yeah, um, who have been with us a very long time top of their games. Titanic, you know, it gets the recognition. That year it came out, it wins the awards. I mean, think about it. If there is a montage of movie moments, I mean James Cameron standing up there on stage going, I'm keen of the world is probably up there, however, kubrick.
Speaker 1:Eyes Wide Shut has been.
Speaker 2:The greatest filmmaker of all time, yeah.
Speaker 1:And Eyes Wide see. This is kind of where you just sort of have to let something live in the space that it's been occupying and, Eyes Wide Shut, has been happy to be in the margins and just existing for the sickos out there, and I don't know that. You know. Know our aliens can come to it later so titanic's the one.
Speaker 2:That is like it's the first thing you see when you open up the book you know when you pop on the montage and you know I love what you said that eyes wide shut wouldn't certainly wouldn't be the first kubrick movie. I don't know if it would be in the first 10 90s movies. Right Like, eyes Wide Shut is such a treat that it's almost better for people to go find on their own, or these aliens to go find on their own.
Speaker 1:And I think we have, without getting too niche. I think with things like Fargo and Magnolia we have some of those more alternative picks already on here.
Speaker 1:We have some of those more alternative picks already on here, even something like Pulp Fiction. If that's one of your first 10 movies that you're watching, pulp Fiction is going to blow you away Totally. It's going to pull your cap back, and so I think that Titanic is the right pick here, as much as that hurts me for the other crime films that we talked about, for of the other animated movies, yeah, love you, yeah, yeah, we, we really do um, and and everything else.
Speaker 1:I mean I wish there was more room, but we have to stick to we have to stick to our guns, which which okay, titanic, titanic, I think goes in there, there and it covers romantic movies.
Speaker 2:Romance, yeah, it covers spectacle.
Speaker 1:Talk about meme-worthy Right yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Leo, who is like the only movie star, one of the only movie stars left.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2:Okay, so here we go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's hear it Before we let people into Canton to see the statues our all-decade team For the 1990s. For your consideration, max, this is your episode. You have final cut. It's Fargo, pulp Fiction, clueless Magnolia, jurassic Park, the Blair Witch Project, the Matrix, princess, mononoke, goodfellas and Titanic.
Speaker 2:I'm really proud of us because I do think there are definitely like gold stars on there. I think, objectively, something like Titanic, clueless, princess Mononoke, I think brings out lots of representation and I think we nailed it. I think I'm ready to etch this in stone. It's really tough. Put this on my grave.
Speaker 1:I feel good about it. I don't know if I could ever feel great about this, and now that'll be interesting. Going forward. Very true Like when we do the 2000s Right. I could see the 2000s maybe being a little easier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, 70s shit in the 2000s 70s I could see being just as hard, 80s I could see maybe being easier. Yeah, because then it's easier to be. It's in the decades where there's less quality. It's easier to be objective because, like in the eighties, I, you know we'd be I'd be fighting for things like body double.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not one of the 10 best movies of the eighties.
Speaker 1:And that'd be real easy for me just to look myself in the mirror and say like no, we need to talk about another film here.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think that's why I wanted to start with the nineties, because I do think the nineties at least to me and I I think I feel it from you as well might be the most important decade of movies to us.
Speaker 1:Yeah oh yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm not kidding. There's so many that we've talked about here today that I am like what am I gonna watch tonight out of all these? Part of me wants to throw in titanic. It's really good. Okay, well, that great great episode idea. Man, really good stuff. Um that, well, that great great episode idea man.
Speaker 1:Really good stuff. So that wraps up our best of the decade conversation for the 1990s. We're now only two shows away from our 200th podcast. We're still looking to incorporate some listener feedback and suggestions on how to celebrate. So if you have any game ideas, mailbag questions, any wrinkles that you can think of, we would be happy to entertain those. But before that, however, we have episode 199. Almost like episode, irrelevant, right.
Speaker 2:Or, like 1999, it could become one of the greatest episodes, one of the best.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't bank on it, however, because next week but I don't know maybe this will surprise some people, maybe it'll surprise us. Yeah, but we're gonna talk about the first omen comes out this friday can't wait and then we're gonna take a look back at and now this is where the conversation could actually get pretty fun yeah, because we're gonna look back at one of the, in my opinion, underappreciated horror franchises, like one of the great underappreciated horror franchises, that, of course, being the story of damien and the entire omen series.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so movies are in the omen series.
Speaker 1:I think we have three from like the original trilogy and I could be wrong. There could be four I haven't really started my homework yet and then we have the remake in 2006, I believe with liam schreiber. And julia styles, okay, and then we have this new one, okay.
Speaker 2:So so I'm kind of excited because I can remember there's there's the.
Speaker 1:There was.
Speaker 1:You know, amc was always so good for having the marathons and I can't really remember anything from the omen from the second or three from three I can, because that's when sam neill is damien, grown up, oh dope, and he is like the us ambassador and I think he's like running for president or something like that and he's done so much good for the country but it's to serve this obviously like evil agenda and stuff and that's what the movie's about starts to get fleshed out. I can just remember watching that on amc. Sam neill has one of the weirdest careers Scream King dog, like he's great in horror films, and so I'm really excited to return to that. But then the original Omen. I mean, we love horror movies, we talk about them all the time, but it's so for whatever reason. We'll be able to dive deeper into this, but it's so easy to forget that first film it is, and it's so easy to forget that that first film it is, and it's incredible.
Speaker 2:I've I think I've only seen it once.
Speaker 1:Oh really, you're gonna love it and years and years ago.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it was with you as a fan boy of the 70s, yeah, yeah, and just like gregory peck.
Speaker 1:Oh, kind of like late career apex for him it's really good. The score is incredible. Score you the score either one. I know it was nominated, but it might have even won at the Academy Awards. The music is so great. Just little things to look for and to watch for. I can't wait. Yeah, that's actually going to be really fun and high hopes for the first Omen.
Speaker 2:Please, we need. Let me tell you I went and saw this thing called Godzilla XCOM this last weekend, 2024.
Speaker 1:Listeners. I've already asked Max if he needs an intervention.
Speaker 2:There's something. Well, yeah, of course there's something wrong with me, yeah.
Speaker 1:You could be seeing Dune again.
Speaker 2:You could be seeing Immaculate I could, but no, but no. 2024 is already beating me down and it's April. It's killing me. I need to come up for air, please. Let it be the first omen okay, we'll try.
Speaker 1:We'll try for you. I'm excited for it. There was there was talk that it was rated nc-17 at one point and they had to cut scenes. So you love that into that, I'm excited. In the meantime, follow excuse the intermission on instagram and the two of us on letterboxd to track what we are watching between shows. We will talk to you next time on ETI, where movies from the 90s still matter.
