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Alex and Max take you on a journey through film with this discussion podcast about movies.
Excuse the Intermission
200th Episode Celebration
Pop the cork and join as we mark a whopping 200 episodes of cinematic banter and insights with a blockbuster bash! From discussing the evolution of our film-watching habits to conjuring up what-if scenarios of superhero movies through the lenses of distinct directors, we've got a feast for your film-loving soul. A nostalgic journey awaits as we reflect on the milestones since our debut in 2020, and with the help of our ever-eager intern Timm, we navigate the glamorous and sometimes quirky world of Hollywood.
how's it? I'm alex mccauley. I'm max fosford and this is excuse the intermission a discussion show surrounding our 200th episode. Somehow we've found the time to sit down over 200 times and talk movies with you all, so in celebration we have games planned, letterbox talk, mailbag questions and so much more planned for this milestone episode that starts on the other side of this break.
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Speaker 1:Come be a part of the next generation of Seattle filmmaking. Today, max, 200 episodes, cheers. We can stop now, right. This was our plan when we sat down three and a half years ago we said let's do 200 episodes and walk away, and walk away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on top. No, we're still climbing the mountain, we are.
Speaker 1:I can't wait for 800 episodes oh my gosh, okay, so 200 episodes. We started this podcast back in 2020. Four years later now, 200 years later now, what have we learned? Are we wiser? Are we dumber? Have we done any good for the world of movies?
Speaker 2:What's happened here? Yeah, of course we've done good for the movies. Yeah, we're here, we gather here.
Speaker 1:This is our church. I thought we were about to come to the Nicole Kidman we come to this place.
Speaker 2:We come to this place to watch images on a silver screen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think Because in this podcast studio.
Speaker 2:Movies still matter. Yeah, I think we are smarter. Talking about movies every week has to make you a little bit smarter at least on the subject of movies.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, and so then I think we just kind of hit everything on this episode right, and so, like it's been a minute since we've done the the maxi school corner talk, yeah, so kind of in that same line of, in that same train of thought, when you started school, knowing that you've been studying film and doing different things for the podcast leading up to that moment, do you feel like that was an advantage, coming in absolutely into school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, totally, I mean a lot of my classmates. I am every day I'm surprised by how many movies my classmates haven't seen.
Speaker 1:Um, like there's one mean kind of like what you would maybe consider like I've never seen the matrix.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, you know, or I've I've never seen, uh, you know, fucking sunset boulevard or seven samurai. Um, you know whether it's classics or new age classics and yeah, yeah, I'm always surprised by you know what motivates someone to get into film school, but yeah, I think it was definitely an advantage. You know, I've been studying the craft, the art you know, subconsciously, for at least intensely, for three years, going in and then before that, you know, since I was a, since I was a babe, yeah, I think that's.
Speaker 1:That's where I feel like I've sort of been able to sharpen my skills is just like paying a little bit more attention to the craft and not looking at it just from like, oh, this is a fun and entertaining way, but and letterboxes help with this a lot too, because I very rarely will rate something lower than like a three now three and a half to a three because there's just such a level of appreciation for every little detail that goes into making a movie.
Speaker 1:and now that's not to say that, like, if I rate a movie three out of five, I don't think that it's unsuccessful. It can still definitely be an unsuccessful film that I might not return to, but but I think for a lot of people a three is totally fine. Yeah, you know, but but it's just watching these, watching movies, a handful of movies, week after week after week. You just come to, you come to really, really respect the people that do this for a living and we're just here talking about it. And so that's another thing where I'm like. I'm like I'm just the little fun things that we've gotten to be a part of, whether it's locally or outside of our little pocket of the Northwest here, have also been very humbling, I feel like, because it does maybe add a little sense of belonging to, to our, to our show here, um, to what you and I are doing, the work that we're putting in putting in.
Speaker 2:So cheers, cheers to you, cheers to you. We're gonna have some fun on this episode. I think on the letterboxd side, I've become way more critical. Oh yeah, I, I, I tend to. I.
Speaker 1:I find myself being hard on movies sometimes I think that's fair, though, and that's a good balance for us to have, yeah, on the show also to help balance things out, today we've we've brought back a fan favorite. We've heard your requests to bring back intern Tim, and so here he is joining us for the episode 200. He's going to help facilitate some of these games. Tim, how are you today? I should be in church.
Speaker 2:It's a Sunday morning Church of cinema.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the church of cinema to go with the Nicole Kidman monologue that you referenced. I'm feeling good. My throat's a little raspy, but we're going to get through this.
Speaker 1:How's the last couple of months been for you when it comes to watching movies? You and I saw Dune Part 2 together. I know you guys just went out to the theaters. The last couple of weeks Saw Civil War.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm very, very picky when it comes to going to a theater. I'm not just going to spend 20 bucks on any ticket to go see fucking Godzilla, or whatever I want to see, I want to make sure it's worth my money. I saw Poor Things. I saw Doom, part 2. And then I saw Civil War. So I feel like I'm three for three on the year really good yeah yeah that's.
Speaker 2:I've enjoyed all three.
Speaker 3:They all three movies did like impact my life in some way for the short term hell, yeah, that's great, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So tim has a couple of games here. He's also has some mailbag questions. We're gonna. We're gonna start with those two things and we'll see, kind of, where the conversation leads us, but but a lot of stuff planned.
Speaker 3:Once again, max, I'm giving you a preemptive thank you for the work that you're going to do on the edit for this pod.
Speaker 1:I know, the last time we played games. You guys have no idea how well that this man cleaned up the work that we did, but so none of us know what is to come here. As far as themes topics, we do know the rules for these games um, but tim will do his best to kind of talk through for you, the listener, exactly what the purpose is behind some of these. So I it's up to you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think we should sandwich the games with some mailbag questions. Absolutely Because really speaking as a fan and as an unpaid intern. This is really about the listeners, so thank you listeners for tuning in for 200 episodes. Our cocky hosts couldn't take the time to acknowledge you, but I'm a man of the people, I'm one of you. All right, just the average Joe layman.
Speaker 2:How many episodes of ETI have you listened to?
Speaker 3:uh, the ones I'm on? No, not even. I don't know. I hear you guys talk all the time that's true, yeah, so don't, don't come at me. That's hilarious. I'm a patreon member that's, that's premier speak. Let's shout that out too, if you like the show, please. Patreon, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I know Patreon's been a little sleepy as of late, but go over there and subscribe and we'll rev it back up.
Speaker 1:Tim is doing the Lord's work right now because the Patreon members, the listeners, every single download, we see when and where it happens. We appreciate every single one of you absolutely. The partners, the community partners thanks, mom our parents everyone who introduced us to good movies, anybody who recommends movies to us um.
Speaker 3:We're very appreciative and a lot of questions in the mailbag a lot of questions.
Speaker 1:Let's get right into it. The very first one.
Speaker 3:Let's say marvel wants to revamp or reboot a rated r film. Which character and what director are you hiring? So how?
Speaker 1:did you interpret this one? Because I I thought of a character from a comic book that hasn't received a standalone movie yet and decided that this character should have a film and it should be an R-rated movie. Not necessarily something being revamped, I guess.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you could take any character and maybe kind of redo it in a rated r sense.
Speaker 1:but yeah, I, I kind of I like I'm not saying you know what I need? I need a brie larson r rated captain marvel, yeah, no, that's not what. No, I I I, I.
Speaker 2:I tried to go after, like you said, a character that maybe hasn't been done on the big screen okay, so we'll see.
Speaker 1:We'll see what you think about this one.
Speaker 2:We'll see if this passes passes.
Speaker 1:Um, not that you're the biggest comic book nerd, but uh, a character that I always really liked in the spider-man show and in the comics growing up reading him as a kid was the lizard. Yeah, and so I want a movie about the lizard don't know much about this guy no, he's a scientist dr kirk connors. Thank you, dr kirk connors. Transforms into a kind of an antihero, kind of an ally of Spider-Man at times, but then not at other times.
Speaker 2:So Dr Kirk Connors has one arm Okay, he's lost his right arm.
Speaker 3:Love that representation.
Speaker 1:He's trying to find a cure with lizard DNA to regrow his arm, oh, like how lizards can regrow their tails.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it turns him into a lizard. However, the lizard is sentient but also evil. The character the lizard wants to turn the rest of the world into lizards Love this.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm making my lizard movie as the producer it, and then I'm going after nia da costa to direct it oh okay, da costa directed the candy man remake which I was a big fan of did, she do the marvels, and she did do the marvels, I think I don't know again she's played in the superhero sandbox, right, um, but, but I really just, I mean, I love that candy man remake and I keep thinking, I think all the time about the practical effects of that film with yaya abdul mateen and the way that the bee sting transforms his whole arm and his skin into this scaly, tactile, gross looking thing. And so bring the production team over from candy man, take your superhero knowledge from the marvels and nia da costa. I want you to direct the lizard movie.
Speaker 2:I love it, that's a, that's a great pull. That's a great pull. Uh, mine, mine is actually why, they pay me the big bucks. Mine's a little bit more obvious, um, but we're gonna tap uh ro Eggers, who of course is, you know, the Northman, the witch, the lighthouse coming out with Nosferatu this year, and we're going to give him the Punisher.
Speaker 1:Now the.
Speaker 2:Punisher, a very like gray character. Anti-vigilante hero, very violent, uses guns. Anti-vigilante hero, very violent, uses guns. We have a great representation of Jon Berthal on the TV side of the Marvel universe, but I think Eggers could really bring some like just like dread, slow, like darkness and dread and violence, especially like, if it's the Northman type of violence, to that character.
Speaker 1:So that's where I would go. I need to revisit the Thomas Jane movie because I remember that being kind of good, but I was also like probably 13 or 14. So anything with a lot of shoot-em-up action was probably going to entertain me back then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and actually I've heard that the Ray Stevenson the Punisher Warzone movie is actually not bad too, and you know RIP.
Speaker 1:Ray Stevenson. What a deep bag of content in the Punisher universe.
Speaker 3:Wow Okay, good ones, I like it. I would do the X-Men. Oh okay, maybe Gambit, because we haven't seen a Gambit movie. Oh okay, maybe gambit, because we haven't seen a gambit movie, and uh just real quick.
Speaker 2:Peter hoare, the guy who did last of us. Oh yeah, all right, moving on.
Speaker 3:Look at you yep, yep game to play. It's not that hard. No, just kidding. Uh, all right, which director would you not mind seeing in time out? I mean?
Speaker 1:at the running, at the risk of jinxing, you know ourselves right now? Um, I don't. I'm the obvious answer for me. Zach snyder just cut it out cut it out.
Speaker 3:That was my answer. Yes, well, that's what I thought. I think I kind of.
Speaker 1:Maybe spoke in a weird way there, but I was like on the count of three.
Speaker 2:One two, three zack snyder jinx um, this guy.
Speaker 1:Just every single time that there's a tweet or an instagram thing that I see about him talking about his movies and, oh, I want to redo this. And now, most recently, there's actually a better version of sucker punch out there. No one's asking for this. Your job is to make the movie you want to make the first time and and then, if you're gonna return to it, don't make such a big deal about it. Like ridley scott doesn't make a big deal about releasing a director's cut. Like nobody who is kind of famous for going back, james cameron doesn't make a big. I mean, he does, but it's in a different way. It's not in like a woe is me kind of fashion, and that's just so annoying to me. When it comes to zach snyder, rebel Moon part two is coming out in like a month or I don't even know. Does anybody care?
Speaker 1:no one cares like you got it. It's time to take a back seat. Like you, you really had your moment with Justice League. Aside from the success of the film, you had your moment like you captured the culture there kind of should have, I think, rode off into the sunset and maybe tried to do something different and and I think that was maybe the intent of something like rebel moon. But it's just too similar, it's too gimmicky. You're trying to be star Wars. You're just trying to do too many different things that don't feel original.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he just needs to, like. He just either yeah, he needs to take a break and step away, or like, just try and do something different, do anything different than what you have done, because everything other than like the owl movie, cartoon movie that he did which is actually pretty solid when you look at his filmography, zack Snyder definitely could probably Like, do something else like 300, right. Or adaptation right, like he's great at Adaptations 300 and Watchmen really good movies and then. But yeah, everything else has just been. It's all just grayscale, fucking slow-mo.
Speaker 1:like time to take a break, yeah so I kind of figured that we would both have Snyder for that one, so I did come up with another name, and this is based off of something that you told me. I looked it up, not that I needed to fact check you, but I was like, before I say this on the pod I need to make sure that it's actually happening.
Speaker 1:I'm putting Scott Derrickson in jail before he remakes the night of the hunter. Yeah, that's, that's. That's tough and just kind of going back and looking at Derrickson's trajectory, I don't feel like the Black Phone was as successful as it could have been. A lot of people like that movie and I don't really understand why I don't either. You know the Exorcism of Emily Rose, sinister, different things, his contributions to the VHS franchise, all pretty solid to really solid, but I just I don't like the direction in which we're going.
Speaker 2:So speaking of another uh kind of guy who was like really exciting in horror when he first started at Adam Wingard could also take a seat. Uh, he could, because he's just been making Godzilla movies that are really just transforming movies now and like is guys just gotten out of control? Uh, with how goofy that shit is Agreed, Agreed Um so yeah, yeah, he could take a break too.
Speaker 3:Okay, with reboots and remakes littering the industry, which one would you not mind seeing? You want to go first on this one.
Speaker 2:This is really tough.
Speaker 1:Um, I think I got a good one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I want you to go first um, so I I was trying to think of, like, maybe movies that didn't get it right.
Speaker 1:It's exactly kind of what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:We have another similar question to that later, but, yes, same train of thought um, and I'm uh, I'm gearing up to, uh, to start my um, my discovery, my research on the water. We might be able to make a successful post-apocalyptic Waterworld movie successful post-apocalyptic water world movie and and so would you want, because I think that I, I feel like the charm.
Speaker 1:The charm of water world is that it's schlocky and they have this huge budget and it still kind of looks like crap and so and and a lot of that is because I think they did use a lot of practical effects and they tried to make this mad max type story right, and that's what people find endearing about it. It just not a hundred percent successful.
Speaker 2:So would you want it to be like prestige, like real serious, or do you think it should still be like what a water world remake if we can find you need to be kind of campy, still like, honestly, if we're, if we're doing mad max on the water, just get ge, get George Miller to do it. You know, and I think you can find a balance of schlock and prestige, just like he's done with the recent Mad Max movies. And yeah, I think Waterworld could be maybe an untapped IP that could spawn some stuff.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, I would like to go back to Waterworld. I don't hate it, I like it. I want to go back to another director that I feel like we've never really gotten the time to do a deep dive into their filmography. Someone that we talk about every now and then, though, so Oliver Stone interesting guy right.
Speaker 1:Some really successful stuff, some not so successful stuff. Going back through his movies, one really stood out to me that I would, that I would like to see be remade, and I think that the time is now right for this movie to be remade, and that is World Trade Center.
Speaker 3:This movie came out in 2006.
Speaker 1:I think that was too soon after the 9-11 attacks.
Speaker 2:Is that?
Speaker 1:Nicolas Cage. Listen to the cast in this Nicolas Cage, maria Bello, stephen Dorff, michael Pena, jay Hernandez, michael Shannon, the list goes on. Viola Davis is in this, bernthal's in this, and so it's like a murderer's row of stars kind of before they were stars, and also mixing in a lot of seasoned actors, and so I'm kind of like who? It would be really fun to just kind of look at the landscape of working actors blue-collar working actors and be like who could be in this movie. Now the time, the time between the, the, the events of that day and where we are now, I feel like makes more sense.
Speaker 1:In 2006 it just felt a little too soon this movie. I remember it getting buzz when it came out, but it really wasn't a big deal. The way that something like zero dark 30 was and now zero dark 30 waited about three or four more years to come out and tell their story, which I think helped that film's success. So now I think is the right time to revisit if you were going to do a 9-11, iraq war type story, and maybe Oliver Stone even comes back and does it himself, but I don't know. I just there's something about that movie that has just kind of never worked and I feel like we could do it better now.
Speaker 2:I like that. I like that. That's a film I've never seen, and probably because it was 2006, far too close, and then, yeah, I just have never gone back to it, and I think you're right. I think it is maybe the right time to go back and examine that, like exactly.
Speaker 1:Back then I feel like it felt a little bit more manipulative. Like we're coming out with this movie and we want it to do really good in the box office. And it should do good in the box office Cause we're still kind of preying on your emotions and the recency of all of this. So now, I think, is the right time to maybe tell that story with a little less Um I don't want to say like um, any sort of political or financial agenda, but let's let's just let's come, let's go back to it.
Speaker 3:I think it's time. I like it. That's a good deep poll. We're going to do one more from the mailbox. And, uh, if I could encourage you to keep your answers concise.
Speaker 1:Okay, we love rambling.
Speaker 3:Sorry, I'm just kidding, it's podcast, right.
Speaker 2:Just keep talking. You got any remakes you want to see done?
Speaker 3:I really love the Waterworld answer. Yeah, yeah, I'm a big Kevin Costner fan. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think. Listen.
Speaker 3:We all going to go see Horizon. Well, he's too old now. Yeah, well, he's too old now. Yeah, I don't want him involved, of course. Yeah, maybe an executive producer, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1:I don't know, did he?
Speaker 2:direct that.
Speaker 1:I don't, I'm not sure I'm going to be there. Day one of Horizon, chapter one oh fuck. Yeah, dude Are you kidding me, the Western.
Speaker 2:You know how many fucking Kevin Costner DVDs I've bought in recently?
Speaker 3:wow well I'm glad we're fans of kevin cost around here, but, um, I'm not a big fan of reboots and revamps and I think that's a big problem with hollywood. So anyways, uh, swap chris's pick a nolan movie for christopher guest to direct in a christopher guest movie for nolan. I don't understand this.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you swap chris's right I don't even know christopher guest is so christopher guest has done like a bunch of mockumentaries, including this Is Spinal Tap, Best in Show.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, okay, A Mighty Wind yeah.
Speaker 1:I believe Rob Reiner directed this Is Spinal Tap. I think he's just a producer on it. Yeah, a writer, anyways, he is. Could still play, though, in this category.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is the guy who kind of came up with that format. And then Christopher Nolan we all know who is that. He won Best Director. Yeah, I know who he is. This is the past year.
Speaker 3:Not that dumb.
Speaker 2:Okay. So this is really interesting because, Christopher Guest, obviously, if you're going to take a Nolan movie and put it and make Christopher guest direct it, it's going to be a mockumentary.
Speaker 1:It's going to be comedy. I'm bringing that, I'm bringing his style, so I'm trying to Nolan premise.
Speaker 2:So I was trying to think of like what could be the most lighthearted like funny thing that Christopher Nolan has done, and I think it's gotta be prestige.
Speaker 1:I have the prestige as well. Yes, a mockumentary about magicians in the 18th century or whatever, and then you do the hard cuts back to people and they're talking about the show and they're just like listen that birdcage. I don't know what's going on with the birdcage. I was thinking the exact same thing.
Speaker 2:I think that's a slam dunk.
Speaker 1:I kind of think.
Speaker 2:So I'm kind of surprised christopher guest has never done a mockumentary about magicians, because that's laying on the table for you christopher, that's really is.
Speaker 2:It really is um, if nolan is going to then take over a christopher guest movie again, I I was thinking of spectacle and largeness and I immediately went to this as Spinal Tap, like the pyrotechnics effects that Christopher Nolan could bring to that, the sweeping shots of the concerts, the loudness of the music. I think maybe he just did a biopic about Oppenheimer. Maybe he could do a good fake biopic about a fake band.
Speaker 1:So I'm doing a lesser known Christopher Guest film, one of his I don't want to say least successful movies, but I think this is, by the time he, we just have gone to the well too many times. Once we got to mascots, yeah, mascot stinks.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think it would be really funny for Christopher Nolan to try to sell us on the seriousness.
Speaker 3:Thriller about mascots, about mascots, and I'm shooting it in. Imax.
Speaker 2:And this is important Again, you're in big arenas, sports arenas.
Speaker 1:And important again, you're in big arenas, sports arenas, arenas, yes, and this is going to be so serious.
Speaker 3:I love that, um. So yeah, I love that. Shout out to whoever submitted that that was for maddie on instagram. Well, done, maddie. Um, let's get into the first game. Let's do some games, break it up. Yeah, we're gonna start with the game for a Excellent.
Speaker 1:Max's game for Alex, yeah.
Speaker 3:So it's the degrees of separation game Okay. And I'm putting my phone away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can see this.
Speaker 3:Yep To explain to the listeners the finish line of this game is a certain actor or director and the starting line is a certain movie. But the path you take has to go back and forth between movie and actor or director. So if the actor you are trying to get to is a Shia LaBeouf, and the starting movie is the Godfather.
Speaker 3:a possible path or example would look like you start with the Godfather, then you go to Francis Ford Coppola, then you go to Apocalypse Now Maybe Harrison Ford, then you get to Indiana Jones 4. And that's how you get to shia yep. So, alex, yes, I'm so excited. The first one is you have to get to margaret qualey.
Speaker 1:quali quali okay, thank you from blue velvet okay, margaret qualalley is my end game, uh-huh. And Blue Velvet is the start. Yep, okay, let's think about this. So Blue Velvet stars Laura Dern. Laura Dern is in Big Little Lies.
Speaker 2:Oh movies, Movies. I'm going to be a stickler okay, I'm gonna be, because I came up with paths for each of your, each of your, your okay, fair, fair.
Speaker 1:So not that there's one path, there's many paths, six degrees of separation, movies only, movies only I don't even think it has to be six necessarily.
Speaker 3:Well, no, but that's just kind of the term, the loose term for this game.
Speaker 1:Okay, so back to Blue Velvet.
Speaker 2:I think that I will stick with Laura Dern and from oh, there's such an easy one if I could do shows.
Speaker 1:Golly, that's so unfair because it would literally go. Laura dern would go into inland empire with justin thoreau.
Speaker 2:Justin throws in the leftovers with margaret quali right, yeah, so I did it, listeners, I did it and I did it in like three steps the leftovers and yeah, yeah, I know okay, so movies only.
Speaker 1:Here we go. Laura dern, I still like the justin thoreau call, I think. I think I can go somewhere with that. Justin's been in a uh so you're going.
Speaker 2:Blue velvet laura dern.
Speaker 1:Inland empire justin thoreau and now we're justin thoreau. So justin thoreau. Now I gotta get to Margaret Qualley. Justin Theroux will go to Charlie's Angels. He's in Charlie's Angels, which then takes me to let's go with Lucy Liu, okay, and Lucy Liu then takes me to Quentin Tarantino. Yep, and Quentin Tarantino directed Margaret Qualley Fantastic Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Speaker 2:Tarantino is the key there. Yep, to get to Tarantino is the key of that path, my path that I came up was Blue.
Speaker 1:Velvet, where did I go from Lucy Liu? From Lucy Liu, I went to Kill Bill. To Kill Bill, okay, perfect.
Speaker 2:I went Blue Velvet to David Lynch, david Lynch to Wild at Heart. Wild at Heart to Nicolas Cage. Nicolas Cage to Face Off. Face Off to Travolta, travolta to Quentin Quentin, to Once Upon a Time, hold on Lucy Liu to Kill Bill. To Kill.
Speaker 3:Bill Kill Bill is directed by Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 2:And Tarantino directed Quali in.
Speaker 1:Once Upon a Time.
Speaker 3:Oh, gotcha, gotcha, yep.
Speaker 2:Good job. Thank you Checking the facts.
Speaker 3:Ready for number two? I am.
Speaker 2:Start checking the facts. Ready for number two, I am start at mad max. Which mad max? Just for?
Speaker 3:clarification the original george miller mad max get to dakota johnson mad max to dakota johnson.
Speaker 1:Okay, I love dakota, thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that. You tried to pick.
Speaker 1:Tried to pick your favorites, yeah you did, yeah, you did boy, so you did Boy. So who basically? I'm thinking, if I go the Mel Gibson way, who has worked with Mel Gibson? I feel like not a lot of the people enjoy Mel Gibson anymore, so making that connection might be a little tough. So maybe we go the George Miller route and if we go the George Miller route from Mad Max we could. Then can I do the new Mad Max, because it's yeah, okay. Furiosa.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we'll do Sure.
Speaker 1:We'll go George Miller to Furiosa, the upcoming Mad Max film, from there we'll get to Chris Hemsworth, and from Chris Hemsworth then we got to get to Dakota Johnson, and so the best way to probably do that is say that Chris Hemsworth is in Thor, which is produced by Kevin Feige, and Kevin Feige produced Madam Web.
Speaker 1:Okay, producer, it's either director or actor Okay, I'm sorry, I'm going to be a stickler. Okay, that's fine, that's fine. I still think that maybe going to oh, yes, okay. So Thor then takes me to okay, now shoot. And now I got to try to guess who's the overqualified actress in these Thor movies. Is it Cate Blanchett?
Speaker 2:Blanchett is in one of the Thor movies, and then Natalie Portman as well.
Speaker 1:And Natalie Portman as well.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So we will go then with Natalie Portman. Who's the other one? You said Natalie Portman and Cate Blanchett. Yeah, I saw that one. Okay, so then let's go with. Okay, okay, so, chris hemsworth to whatever thor movie that that kate blanchett is in. So then, is that love and thunder uh, that is ragnarok. Okay, so ragnarok, thunder, what the fuck is that that was was the one with Natalie Portman, where she's like the girl Thor.
Speaker 3:I thought she was in the first one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's in the first one, and then she's in the second one and then the fourth one. Got you.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Ragnarok.
Speaker 2:Ragnarok's the third one.
Speaker 1:That's where we're at Ragnarok and from Ragnarok we're pulling Cate Blanchett, okay, okay. So then Cate Blanchett has got to get me to Dakota Johnson, and I feel like that should be pretty easy If I take Cate Blanchett, if I go from Cate Blanchett now this is in a lot of steps, I can't wait to hear how the fastest route that you found this in, but I think I got this If I go from Cate Blanchett To the Aviator With Leonardo DiCaprio, okay, and then from Leo, I'm gonna go Back to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood With Brad Pitt, and then from Brad Pitt I'm gonna go to Edward Norton From Fight Club and their and their contributions to that film together, as one person Spoiler alert who directed Rafe Fiennes in Grand Budapest Hotel, who starred in A Bigger Splash with Dakota Johnson Wow, the Luca Guadagnino movie.
Speaker 2:Wow, what a route.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was messy, but I got there.
Speaker 2:So you took a couple extra steps there, because once you get to Chris Hemsworth you can go to Bad Times at the Elroy Hotel oh, and Dakota's in that and Dakota is in that Right there.
Speaker 1:Yep, that was a quick one yeah.
Speaker 2:Bad.
Speaker 1:Times at the Elroy Hotel. I should revisit that. Not a terrible movie no. Yeah, kind of a fun pulpy, tarantino-esque, totally Yep.
Speaker 3:Thriller.
Speaker 1:All right, final, final one here. Uh, get to spike lee. Okay, from project x, from project x to spike lee.
Speaker 3:And now it's been established, this is too bad because the music in project x. I feel like I could use the music to get there very quickly.
Speaker 2:So project x there's really only one race car you can take out of Project X.
Speaker 1:Hmm, really Okay, who is the?
Speaker 2:biggest actor in Project X. Well, it's my boy, no hints.
Speaker 1:It's my tell, it's my tell. So we're taking Miles Teller, who plays himself in that film, just an incredible performance star making performance from Miles Teller.
Speaker 1:We will then, I think, pretty obviously go to Top Gun, maverick and Tom Cruise, and then from Tom Cruise to get to Spike Lee. We need to probably go into Cruise's 80s and 90s run of movies. And so I will go to how about we do about actually, yeah, okay, okay, we'll still stay in the 90s. And if I go to from tom cruise to magnolia, which features just about every big actor from the 90s and I do, who should I pull from magnip seymour hoffman from magnolia, and then I go to from philip seymour hoffman and the master, joaquin phoenix, and then I can take joaquin phoenix and I can go from joaquin Phoenix to how about? Oh, this might be kind of a dead end I might need to backtrack Joaquin Phoenix to the film her, which is directed by Spike Jones, which is directed by Spike Jones. Then I go Spike Jones to being John Malkovich, which stars John Cusack, who is in the film 1408, with Samuel Jackson, who is in every single Spike Lee movie.
Speaker 2:Wow yeah, interesting path there. Tom Cruise is kind of the linchpin of this path. You get to Tom Cruise, then you can go to Steven Spielberg or, excuse me, tom Cruise, to. Minority Report to Steven Spielberg, spielberg, to Saving Private Ryan, tom Hanks, tom Hanks to Philadelphia.
Speaker 1:Denzel.
Speaker 2:Washington.
Speaker 1:Pick your pick of the litter there for Spike Lee movies, getting to either of those two actors, sam Jackson or Denzel is kind of key yeah, key, okay.
Speaker 2:I like my path. Still, yeah, shout out 1408 and john cusack.
Speaker 1:Those are fun, those are great. I like those I like those, nicely done it's a good challenge too, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, it's a lot of fun to come up with is there and there's really only like kind of really one path. There's like some linchpins that you really have to hit there's, I mean there's there's multiple paths, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:I'm sure, if you went really deep, you could find multiple and even shorter paths.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Just because, with character action, I have the same game for Max later on. Yeah, yep, sweet.
Speaker 3:All right Back to the mailbag. You ready? Yeah, if you can work with any director and actor, who would you want to work with and what would you want them to play?
Speaker 1:So again I'm kind of taking the producers role. I suppose for this question, and just if I had the money to fund a picture and could pick a director and a star and just be like, I think you two would make an amazing film together. First one that comes to mind one of my favorite filmmakers, gaspar. No, and I would love to see Gaspar work with Adele X, our tropolis, just give me that.
Speaker 1:And, and I want it to be, I just, I just love you Um you know two people who are very prominent in in international cinema and and French cinema specifically, and so I would love to see that, and then also to somebody that I just I believe in them so much and I believe in their commitment to to making interesting films and we saw this a lot with leonardo dicaprio and somebody like tom cruise as well, at the beginning of their career working with interesting on tour directors as their star was still rising I think Chalamet star is still rising, even though it might be the highest in the sky. So I'm thinking who are one of my favorite auteurs that I would like to see Timmy work with. I think your go is probably the easier pick here for me to make, but I'm going with Lars von Trier.
Speaker 1:I want to.
Speaker 2:I want to see LVT put Timmy in something weird and messed up. Well, the two that came to my mind immediately was PTA and Leo.
Speaker 3:However, they're making a movie. They're making a movie right now.
Speaker 2:So exciting.
Speaker 1:So I will go with Quentin Tarantino and John Travolta these guys would be great together, and Denzel.
Speaker 2:I think Denzel is at a point where you know we've done a bunch of Equalizer movies. We're kind of you know, we do some arthouse stuff like Tragedy of Macbeth, but we're a little bit past our prime.
Speaker 1:I think Tarantino could take him and give him the Kurt Russell treatment, give him the.
Speaker 2:Travolta treatment, even a little bit. So yeah, I would love to see Denzel and Tarantino.
Speaker 3:I feel like you guys didn't quite answer that question. It says what would you want them to play?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I don't know that's hard.
Speaker 2:I mean, I hate man.
Speaker 1:Well, going back to Timmy and Lars von Trier, I would want him to be some somebody who's maybe um, who appears on the surface. I would want Timmy to to play somebody who who presents as someone who has their life together and who is maybe struggling with substance use or you know, some sort of other mental illness?
Speaker 3:or something Less than zero.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something like that, for sure. And then, I don't know, gaspar and Adele, I feel like could do all sorts of things together, just thinking of the types of films that he's made and the types of films that she's been a part of, of things together. Just thinking of the types of films that he's made and the types of films that she's been a part of. Some sort of hybrid between Climax and Irreversible, I think would be really, really good to put her at the center of. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with Tarantino and Denzel. I mean, as long as you make Denzel scary. You know some sort of killer of people.
Speaker 1:I guess. But like, yeah, some sort of killer of people, I guess. But go back to his Alonzo Harris training days, yeah, training days, I was thinking yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, next question what is a hot take both of you think is right?
Speaker 1:You go ahead Sure.
Speaker 2:I got mine.
Speaker 1:I've been standing on business too, for a long time with this one. I think the best pitcher winners from the 2020s might be some of the worst best picture winners of the century, and it's anchored by everything everywhere all at once in Nomadland.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's a really good hot take, yeah, and I mean Coda is fine.
Speaker 1:Is it a best picture winning? Is it a best picture worthy kind of film? I don't really think so, no. And then oppenheimer. So those are your four winners so far from this, from this decade. Oppenheimer just feels so safe and and like something that we've seen time and time again, just of course on different scale, with different technological abilities and stuff when it comes to telling the story. But when you look at those four films, and especially Everything Everywhere All At Once and Nomadland, it's been a really tough four years for the Best Picture winners so far.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that, I really love that and, to be completely honest, I want to stand behind that hot take. Thank you, I think that is extremely true, and that's better than anything I could come up with, honestly.
Speaker 3:All right. What is your favorite format of an episode you've done?
Speaker 1:So I chose two that kind of count as one. We haven't done too many of them, but I've had a ton of fun when we have incorporated a sports theme to an episode, so like doing the Harrison Ford batting Well, the batting lineup specifically, and then the NBA starting five that we did. I think we did the starting five for Fincher films, we did the batting lineup for Harrison Ford Movies. I had a ton of fun with those where we kind of are saying that oh, I think I was like Gone Girl is my small forward, gone Girl can do everything.
Speaker 1:Gone Girl can score, can rebound, can play defense Exactly, pass the ball a little bit and then, going through the Harrison Ford Movies, what would be your cleanup one? What's batting ninth, but still good enough to make the team like? I really liked doing those comparisons yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2:I loved when we did the uh, similarly, the the film fest for martin scorsese. I thought that was really fun. Yes, yeah, um, I also gosh the episode we just did, the 90s All Decade Team. I think that was some of our most passionate podcasting that we've had in a while and it just felt very important to do so. I really really like I love making. Obviously, I love making lists of films, but, like, I like cementing and being like these are the important films in history from that time, that that is always just my favorite kind of format. Yeah, nice.
Speaker 3:What is your favorite memory from doing the podcast so far?
Speaker 1:I mean, for me it's the road trip and and with summer approaching again, I'm thinking like what can we do this year? Not not to try to eclipse that moment or anything, but that was just so fun, getting out to all the different theaters, talking to the different theater managers and owners, so and just like being on the open road just thinking about movies. We were listening to different podcasts about movies, like that was just all movies all the time for seven days straight. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that was really cool to take a trip with one of my best friends, spread the good word.
Speaker 1:We had never really traveled together before.
Speaker 2:So that was amazing. I also really loved doing the Oscar party, doing a live show at the Grand Oscar party, doing a live show at the Grand. I feel like when this podcast started, that was kind of like a big pie-in-the-sky dream that we would someday do a live pod at our theater the. Grand Cinema, and so to have that opportunity this past year was that's one of my favorite memories for sure, Beautiful.
Speaker 3:Okay, we're going to do two more. These are Fuck, Marry Kills.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:Bo, for sure Beautiful.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're going to do two more. These are a fuck. Mary kills. Yeah, boomer edition Start. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3:Marcus, okay, scorsese, spielberg Coppola.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm, I'm banging the Marty movies. Those, those are fun movies that I you know, that I you know a little coked up at times but really exciting.
Speaker 1:a little difficult to deal with but worth it. I'm marrying the Coppola films. I think you can just return over and I do return over, and over and over again to things like Apocalypse, now the first two Godfather films, and then you throw in stuff like the Conversation, which you can always like dust off the shelf and bring out, which means I'm killing Spielberg. Those films have just never really spoken to me the way that they do to some people, and it's not that I wasn't exposed to them early enough, like in my childhood, like the ETs and the Close Encounters of the world. But for whatever reason, and especially in comparison with these other two directors whose movies I returned to way more, that was kind of an easy one was the spielberg kill.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, yeah, this is, this is tougher for me. Uh, because I do love those spielberg movies and therefore I'm I I have it down that I'm marrying spielberg movies. I think those movies for me are ones that I return to constantly, and just the, the amount of films in his filmography are expansive, and I haven't seen every Spielberg movie yet That'll keep your marriage fun and light you got a lot of diversity. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Mine's kind of a doldrum, like the same four movies Coppola that might be marriage it's dependable might
Speaker 2:be marriage dependable. So that's my problem with coppola is that, yes, you've got godfather, godfather 2 apocalypse now, uh, the conversation um what if megalopolis is the best movie ever? Made, then listen, we can come back and we can rewrite history divorce yeah, we can get divorce. Yeah, we can get a divorce always. Well, actually no, because I'm killing Coppola. You are okay, I'm killing Coppola. And then, yeah, scorsese, you fuck those movies all the time. Those are the one-night stands that you just you're bored on a Tuesday night and you're like I'm throwing in After Hours.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm gonna catch off. We're going to, at the risk of getting canceled, we're going to go with the Gen X version. Now, Fuck, marry, kill. Once again. I'm ignorant.
Speaker 2:Pta who's that Paul Thomas Anderson.
Speaker 3:Oh, gotcha Okay. And then Fincher and Tarantino.
Speaker 1:So this is really tough. The decision on who to kill in this one was really hard for me. Ultimately, it's going to be PTA who I'm killing which is really tough but that's only because I think that Tarantino movies are more fun than a lot of the PTA movies, and so, for that reason, tarantino are the. Those are the films I'm banging out, and then I'm marrying. I'm marrying the Fincher films.
Speaker 3:At least I didn't say that he's over here like straight up saying.
Speaker 1:But then I'm going to marry the Fincher films because those are the movies that out of these three directors, that I feel like it wasn't until the sixth time that I watched something like Zodiac. Before I was just like this is a masterpiece, same with something like zodiac. Yeah, before I was just like this is a masterpiece. Um, same with something like the game. And so I so I think, the longevity of the fincher films, and especially in quality too, where I don't think for me personally there's as many dips, whereas, like, I love the pta stuff. But if I was like if I took licorice pizza home from the bar one night, I'd be really upset I probably wouldn't go out for another
Speaker 1:couple of weeks and I would never want to be married to that film.
Speaker 2:So that's interesting. Yeah, this is. This is really tough. This is really tough. I mean, these are three, three of the babies. Right, like you got to kill one of your babies. Oh my God, and I hate to say it, but I'm. I'm killing the Tarantino films, which is crazy, because Tarantino is just one of the masters and those films are extremely important to me, but Fincher's the freak. So those are my one night stands. I'm effing those films all the time. And then I'm marrying PTA because I feel like, out of those three directors, probablyta has got the longest, the longevity ahead of him. So there's going to be more, uh, more films to come, um, so yeah fair points okay how you doing tim.
Speaker 2:Uh, I'm all right. You got any answers for those questions?
Speaker 3:um, no, no, I'll just clarify that If you're fucking something, there doesn't have to be a one-night stand. You can like go back and just.
Speaker 1:Yeah, have a situation chip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, anyways, anyways, we're gonna move into a game here now Okay, great Game time.
Speaker 1:Woo-hoo.
Speaker 3:This one is Alex's game for Max. Hmm, I don't have a script to read, so I'm going to do my best to explain it.
Speaker 1:Blind rankings.
Speaker 3:Blind rankings. So we have three different genres of movies. There's an eras is the first category, there's antiheroes is the second category, and then the year 1989 is the first category, there's antiheroes is the second category, and then the year 1989 is the third category, and so there's six options for each, and you have to rank them from goat down to great, down to good, down to decent, down to dookie, down to despise. Okay, so we'll start with the first category of eras. Okay 90s action movies 90s action movies.
Speaker 2:So when you think of this, you think of, you know of course, the Michael Bay stuff, the, you know the face-offs, the con airs the Rock, the Rock, A lot of Nick Cage, Um the you know the face-offs the con airs um the rock, the rock cage. Yeah, a lot of Nick cage in there.
Speaker 1:You also got beloved twister, mission Impossible mission Impossible.
Speaker 3:Golden I mean James Bond, pierce Brosnan.
Speaker 2:Yep, reservoir dogs, you could say. Is action, action kind of man, and the point of this game is to get you to yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:You don't want to overvalue, but you also don't want to undervalue. Right With six spots to fill.
Speaker 2:Right, so there's six spots to fill, so I'm going to play safe here on at least on this first category. I'm gonna put this one at three which is good good and these action movies are good. I think that's a true statement very safe.
Speaker 3:Um, okay, how about I'd say they're decent anyways? Uh, 2010s horror 2010s horror is.
Speaker 2:I mean, honestly, it competes with the 1970s right of of horror. When you think of 2010s midsommar, fucking the witch, the hereditary, um, you know uh it follows thank you don't breathe. Uh, really, a renaissance of horror throughout the 2010s it's the explosion of blumhouse and a24 conjuring sinister. Um, yeah, so I will. I will put that, I'm gonna put that as goat wow number one.
Speaker 3:This is so fun watching you do this Think through this in real time Goat Wow, all right. How about 2000s comedy?
Speaker 2:2000s comedy is fucking solid. I mean, that was the explosion of Apatow right and Will Ferrell and you know we always say we don't get comedies like that anymore.
Speaker 1:The R-rated comedies.
Speaker 2:The R-rated comedies and those are really, really good movies and I Already you're like oh no. I'll put it at four, so decent. Decent Okay, 80s horror 80s horror is fun the thing. John carpenter's the thing. 1982, love that movie, favorite movie of all time. Um, however, 80s horror does get extremely schlocky, gets extremely. It's extremely ridiculous. There is a lot of crap in that bin, so I'm going to put it at Dookie.
Speaker 3:I think that's a good choice yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that I agree with that one because it's it's anchored by a couple of heavyweights. You have, like the first nightmare on elm street in there. You have the first friday, the 13th in there, but then all the subsequent sequels and everything else it's trying to play copycat from the 70s. Yeah, that was kind of my thought process with that one, where it's fun but there's a lot.
Speaker 3:I'm glad you still had a lower tier, to put it in all right 70s drama 70s drama is again just the 70s itself, probably the goat era overall of movies you ever want to see max, it is most romantic get him talking about 70s cinema.
Speaker 2:70s cinema is amazing and that, honestly, it's what cinema should, should be. Uh, and so great I it's going in the two spot, yeah, which makes me worried about whatever it was last year I think you did it right.
Speaker 3:You did it right. Yeah, 2020s rom-coms yeah, uh, despise easy I think you did pretty good yeah, yeah, that sounds about right so you had the goat being the 2010s, horror great being the 70s. You probably want to flip those. Yeah, you got action 90s actions in the good spot. I would have put that down in decent in 2000s comedy maybe good, yeah, maybe flip those, but I think overall you got it correct. I think that's pretty solid.
Speaker 1:Well, well done.
Speaker 3:Definitely got the dookie and the despise, right, um, okay. Second category would be anti-heroes.
Speaker 2:Anti-heroes okay, tony montagna our beloved scarface um one of my hot takes that I didn't uh throw out there was that tony montagna might be al pacino's greatest performance.
Speaker 2:Oh, I like that one, which I don't know if that's a hot take or not. So, um, tony montana, love scarface, uh. Grand theft auto, uh, and naughty dog really, uh, oh, a lot. Is it naughty dog that makes grand theft auto? Rockstar games? Rockstar owes a lot to that. It Naughty Dog that makes Grand Theft Auto, rockstar Games? Rockstar Owes a lot to that movie. Okay, let's put Montana at the three spot.
Speaker 3:Okay, he's good, alright.
Speaker 2:Alright, daniel Plainview, ugh I mean one of my favorite characters of all time, and you know there Will Be Blood, one of the best films of all time. Honestly, you could put it up against any performance. That's the goat. Let's stay true to me.
Speaker 1:Alright, you gotta speak your truth, yep.
Speaker 3:Travis Bickle.
Speaker 2:Travis Bickle is you know?
Speaker 1:He's like the founding father of the anti-hero Absolutely man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's got to go number two here. It would be interesting. It will be interesting. You are not going to have anyone better than Danieliel play plain view or travis pickle. As far as an anti-hero, I think both of those characters are the two like linchpins of that excellent, excellent, uh, tom ripley tom ripley is really good and I wish maybe I would have put scarface at four now, but he's got to go to four. Tom Ripley Fantastic. I haven't watched the Ripley series yet on Netflix, have you?
Speaker 2:Oh no, fired that up it was a thing All in beautiful black and white. Andrew Scott as Tom Ripley. Fantastic Retelling of the movie and series.
Speaker 3:What is that? I don't know.
Speaker 2:I have no idea. Oh yeah, it's that.
Speaker 3:Is it that I think so? I was driving us crazy.
Speaker 2:There it was again. Oh, something you're doing there it was again Something you're doing there.
Speaker 3:It is, it's you bro, I knew it, who's?
Speaker 2:Tom Ripley. Tom Ripley from Talented Mr Ripley.
Speaker 3:Matt Damon plays him Gotcha.
Speaker 2:So I mean he's got to go, four Got to go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so you've just gone down the list here from great good decent, yeah.
Speaker 2:so again, I hope these last two are Dookie and Despise.
Speaker 3:Alex DeLarge.
Speaker 2:From Clockwork Orange.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Michael McDowell.
Speaker 2:So okay, here's another hot take. I'm just thinking of hot takes all the time. I think Clockwork Orange might be Kubrick's worst movie. Never been a huge fan of clockwork orange, I'm gonna put him at despise, which is probably good for a anti-hero fair it's effective uh.
Speaker 3:And then the last one is uh, gal from sexy beast, ray winstone oh yeah, and I would love to see him higher, but five works for him.
Speaker 1:A little recent. I gave you a little recency bone there. Yeah, I love that movie. Have you ever seen?
Speaker 2:Sexy Beast Tim. No, you got to fire that up. Where is it Really good?
Speaker 1:Where is it? You could get it. It was streaming on the Criterion channel for the last couple of months leading up to the zone of interest.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure I'll find you a physical copy.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure where it lives now.
Speaker 3:When did it come out? Uh, early 2000. Yes, like 2000, 2001.
Speaker 1:Maybe, I think.
Speaker 3:I love a good anti-hero. That's great, great category.
Speaker 1:So he has like a retired jewel thief safe cracker who gets pulled out by his crime lords to do the one last job. One last job. Love those.
Speaker 3:All right. So you had Plainview as the goat, yep Bickle as a great Right. Tony is good, tom is decent, gal is dookie, alex is despise.
Speaker 1:I think you kind of got that right, Kind of I mean you could switch Travis and Daniel.
Speaker 3:You could.
Speaker 2:You could, you could move.
Speaker 1:Scarface down a little bit and move Tom up. Maybe Move Tom up.
Speaker 3:It's kind of what you did with the eras Kind of maybe flip-flop the top ones I think Tony's iconography goes a really long way, though yeah.
Speaker 2:Having him in that upper 50%. I wonder if that poster is still a like dorm room poster listen.
Speaker 1:I put this in when I just I just re-watched it on 4k, one of the first 4ks that I bought once I got the new player and I put in my letterbox review like we've, we need to bring this out.
Speaker 1:Or maybe we already have brought it out of the dorm rooms and and considered it a great achievement in cinema because that movie is amazing. It really is. I don't think it's this object of um, just like hip-hop culture, or like every single time that there was an mtb cribs episode, someone's like yeah, this is just the room where scarface is playing 24, 7 or whatever.
Speaker 3:It's the american dream it is way deeper than that.
Speaker 2:Shout out to my aunt, karen, who got me that movie when I was like 12 years old for Christmas.
Speaker 3:Damn dude.
Speaker 2:Shout out, aunt Karen, I remember asking her and my Uncle Dana threw a fit like ah, that's just violent crap.
Speaker 3:No, it goes way deeper. Yep, okay.
Speaker 1:Final category here would be the year 1989, which for those who don't know, I've followed a little swifties.
Speaker 3:Uh, I was getting their theme, okay, sorry, sorry, the year I was born and the year taylor swift was born, and so we had eras anti-hero and then 1989, and shout out april 19th, new album dropping oh my god, do not turn this into a commercial. I commercial I believe it's called like Tragic Poets or something. I'm not really a Swifty but, I do love me some Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1:But I impersonate one on the podcast sometimes.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah yeah, I'll listen to the singles. Anyhow, she's dating some football player. Did you know that?
Speaker 2:Oh really, yeah, All right.
Speaker 3:First one here Do the right thing do the right thing is so good.
Speaker 2:It is so good and it gets better every time you watch it. Um, most recently I think, we went and saw it at the grand um on the big screen, and that was an experience. It's a film I own. It's a film I really love and one that when I first saw it, I didn't get it, didn't understand. I'm gonna put it.
Speaker 1:See this one, this category specifically, you have a little bit more foresight into what might be coming, because you know that it's at least going to be movies from the year 1989.
Speaker 2:Right, Right, I. I'm trying to think like what was better than do the right thing in 1989. Because again, that robbed at the Oscars. Um, I'm, I'm going to take a little bit of a of a chance here and put it at two Great.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Number two do the right thing. Next movie, one of my favorites Batman.
Speaker 2:Not a fan. Of the original Not a fan of the original.
Speaker 3:It's just nostalgic for me.
Speaker 2:Never caught me as a kid. It's just nostalgic for me. Never caught me as a kid, never came around to it with loving eyes like everyone really loves to talk about this movie. Don't think Michael Keaton is that great?
Speaker 3:I'm all about Michelle Pfeiffer.
Speaker 2:That's in the second one. Oh, okay, I got them mixed up. The second one is way more zany and like kind of more fun. This one is uh. To return to this is is not not my favorite uh dookie, yeah, or despise I I'm gonna, I'll put it in dookie, I'll put it in Dookie, I'll put it in Dookie yeah.
Speaker 3:What's the second one called?
Speaker 2:Batman Returns. Batman Returns Okay.
Speaker 3:Next movie would be Born on the Fourth of July.
Speaker 2:What a performance. You ever seen this movie? No, tom Cruise.
Speaker 3:I thought this was a.
Speaker 2:Oliver.
Speaker 3:Stone. Bruce Springsteen Saw it. Biopic that's coming.
Speaker 2:Don't worry, they're making that right now. Um, uh, no, this is, uh, tom cruz. It might be tom cruz's greatest performance. Uh, nominated for an oscar. Oliver stone vietnam movie. Um, when tom cruz cared and was acting. Um, I'll put it. I'll put it at I'll. I'll put it at three at good, okay born on the fourth of july.
Speaker 3:Okay, uh, driving miss daisy.
Speaker 2:Oh, dude, that is despise all the way down. That's what's the that won all the oscars.
Speaker 1:Right, I do's. Why Do the Right? Thing was robbed yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that movie is garbage, Garbage.
Speaker 3:Okay, say no more License to Kill.
Speaker 2:A good, solid movie, timothy Dalton as 007.
Speaker 1:It might be my favorite non-Craig Bond movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really, really good stuff. Dalton, a man who who did his own, a lot of his own stunts before, that was really like a cool thing to do.
Speaker 1:Uh, doing the work this is just like a cartel film too.
Speaker 2:License totally was really good yeah, this is the one with benicio and robert savvy uh, bobby, as I like to call him feeding people to sharks.
Speaker 3:Always, always a villain in a lot of movies You've got one in four right. You've got goat and decent left.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I will put it at decent, because, gosh, I hope this last one is the goat.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I have no idea what this movie is.
Speaker 2:Great kiki's delivery services you know what I'm happy with it okay uh miyazaki. I definitely should have put do the right thing as the goat. But uh miyazaki movie being uh in the number one spot is always okay with me, not my favorite miyazaki film but you guys put it over Toy Story on the other episode. No, that was Princess Mononoke, but still a Miyazaki film Miyazaki yeah, yeah, and he's one of the great, great filmmakers, and especially in animation. That's cool, cool.
Speaker 3:So you have Goat Kiki's Delivery Services, then you have Do the Right Thing is great. Love it. Born on the Fourth of July is good. License to Kill is decent. Batman is dookie. Driving Miss Daisy is despise. I think you got the bottom three.
Speaker 1:correct Absolutely. You just want to reshuffle the top three. Reshuffle that three.
Speaker 3:Well done, cool. That is the challenge of the game. Good job.
Speaker 1:That's a fun game. All right, we're going to take a little break. We're recording this on a Sunday morning, so we're going to grab some coffee, go to the bathroom and we'll be right back. All right, we're back and I will now be playing a game with Max and Tim.
Speaker 2:This is a movie you ready, tim, you're coming up to the big leagues? I'm not. This is a movie version. You ready.
Speaker 3:Tim.
Speaker 1:You're coming up with the big leagues. I don't know, I'm not. This is a movie version of the game Guess who. Basically, I have prepared three different lists of films. It'll be their job, within three questions, to try to narrow down which film on this list does not belong to the list and then subsequently tell me why it does not belong to the list. Cool, so here is your first list of films. We have the Godfather, part 3, scent of a Woman, the Insider Quiz Show, babe, pulp Fiction, the Lion King, the Fugitive Beauty and the Beast and the Silence of the Lambs. Oh boy.
Speaker 3:I will let you take a look at this list and then you go ahead and ask me a question to try to narrow these down. A lot of them, but the ones that I have seen. It sounds like there's a theme of like you're on the run, you're outcast, you need to come back. There's some kind of fugitive type thing going on.
Speaker 1:So three questions. Well, you guys can either do them collectively or, if Tim wants your first question to be, is the movie you're looking for on the run?
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the first thing that jumps out at me is that these are all from the 90s.
Speaker 1:So no need to ask that question.
Speaker 2:No need to ask that. Okay, well, I mean, there's animated stuff in here.
Speaker 3:I go straight to the plot.
Speaker 2:Right, I know you do, but we got to narrow it down right, we got to get some movies off our list.
Speaker 3:Okay, I still don't know what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2:So I guess it's interesting because there's one, two, three Al Pacino movies, which is weird.
Speaker 1:Could be a good question to ask Is the movie we're looking for? Do you call Babe?
Speaker 2:animated? Is Babe animated? You would have to ask the question. They make the animals talk.
Speaker 3:It's kind of a hybrid. Wait, we're trying to find one that doesn't belong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's one movie on this list that does not belong. So, the objective is to, within within three questions, identify that movie and then by then, you might have an idea as to.
Speaker 2:The only movie I haven't seen on this list is quiz show. Never seen quiz show. What's that about? A quiz show ask a question, okay, okay, is the movie on that we're trying to find animated? Yes, there we go. See, that takes out a lot.
Speaker 3:Good job.
Speaker 2:That takes out the Godfather, part three.
Speaker 3:So we have Lion King.
Speaker 2:Pulp Fiction Fugitive Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 1:That was huge, because now, within two questions, you can at least figure out the movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, yeah. So then we also have to decide is Babe animated Tim?
Speaker 3:I don't think that it is Okay, then I'm crossing that out as well, and hopefully that doesn't screw us.
Speaker 2:So now it's down to the Lion King and Beauty and the Beast. Beauty and the Beast, beauty and the Beast.
Speaker 1:You have two questions you could just ask. Yeah, is the movie we're looking for.
Speaker 3:Lion King.
Speaker 1:The movie you are looking for is Lion King, oh, so congratulations.
Speaker 3:That was easy.
Speaker 1:You arrived at Lion King Now. Can you tell me why the Lion King does not belong on this list?
Speaker 2:The Lion King does not belong on this list, tim, why?
Speaker 3:Because Do you want to see the list? Yeah, that would help. You might want to keep that pen out for the next two. The Lion King does not belong Because it's all animals in this one.
Speaker 2:There's no humans in the Lion King. I like that answer.
Speaker 1:That is a great answer. It is correct. It's not the answer that I'm looking for. The reason why the Lion King is on this list is because every other film on that list was nominated for Best Picture in the 1990s.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was a great guess, tim, that was a great guess. That was a great guess.
Speaker 3:My mind works a little differently in this podcast. All right, I'm not a scenophile.
Speaker 1:Next list. Here we go. Your 10 films are Bad Boys 2, black Hawk Down, pirates of the Caribbean, dead Man's Chest, deja Vu, pearl Harbor, top Gun, days of Thunder, twister, national Treasure and.
Speaker 3:Armageddon.
Speaker 2:I've seen a lot of those. Okay, so the things that stand out. There are three Michael Bay movies. There are two sequels.
Speaker 3:They're all kind of like disaster-ish yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, uh. So again, I think we got it. We got to narrow it down, right. So is the movie we're looking for a Michael Bay movie.
Speaker 1:Is it directed by Michael Bay? Yeah, no, okay, shoot. So what does it? I mean what? Yeah, you just said that that'll eliminate three.
Speaker 2:That'll eliminate three of them. So that takes out Bad Boys 2, pearl Harbor and Armageddon. Tim, would you like the next? Can I see the list? Yeah, of course I'm a visual, visual learner.
Speaker 3:That's why I'm not a. I listen to a lot of podcasts. I listen to my podcasts on YouTube, actually. So that's why I'm one of those freaks. I'm a freak.
Speaker 2:I'm a freak.
Speaker 3:What's Deja Vu?
Speaker 2:Tony Scott Denzel Washington thriller from like the 2010s, about, I think, like late 2000s. Yeah, kind of like time, not time travel, but like premonition.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it seems like. What about days of thunder? I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:A NASCAR racing movie with Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. And that's a Tony Scott movie as well? I don't think that I believe. Right, that's a Tony Scott movie. I'm thinking about the plot.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, that's how I think I'm a writer. I tell stories. Okay, um, now I'm totally just. I don't, I'm shooting in the dark here. It seems like a lot of the plot of some of these is there's like a search, or they're trying to chase or find things maybe yeah, twister national treasure okay yeah, dead man's chest. Sure it's black hawk down there and they like looking for something they're trying to rescue rescue chop.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not how that movie starts, but that's what it turns into.
Speaker 2:Okay, wait, that's a Ridley Scott movie, right? So I believe all those are done by Scott Free, the production company. What else is on there, wait? Is Scott Free owned by Disney? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Can I see the list again? Yep.
Speaker 2:Okay so National Treasure is Disney, pirates of the Caribbean is Disney. Top Gun is Columbia, I believe. Uh, top gun is columbia, I believe. I don't know what twister, who owns twister? Probably like paramount? Uh, okay, I don't know, I'm getting into the weeds there knock, knock a couple more off.
Speaker 1:Then you found some commonalities between okay, three or four of them there's's only two Tom Cruise movies right.
Speaker 2:Two Tom Cruise movies, three Tony Scott movies, four, I believe, Scott Free movies. Ask that one then Is the movie we're looking for a Scott Free movie.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that can take out Black Hawk Down. Deja Vu, top Gun Days of Thunder. Out Black Hawk Down, deja Vu, top Gun Days of Thunder. And so now we're down to National Treasure Twister and Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 1:With one question.
Speaker 2:With one question. And then we have to guess Wait what do we have left?
Speaker 3:National Treasure Top Gun.
Speaker 2:No National Treasure, Twister and Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 3:There are only three left.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the question we have to ask is is it a Disney? I think is. Is it a Disney film, right? Because if it's a Disney film, then that will get rid of Twister, and then we have to choose between National Treasure and Pirates of the Caribbean, or it will get rid of both of those and it'll be Twister. Sure Is our movie a Disney movie.
Speaker 1:You guys have such good teamwork. Your movie is not a Disney movie, it is so.
Speaker 2:Twister is the film that does not belong on this list. And why doesn't it belong?
Speaker 3:Because it's well except now we have the fucking Twisters coming out. I was going to say maybe it's a standalone.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's original Days of Thunders standalone. Some animation animated.
Speaker 3:They've got some like CGI cool SF.
Speaker 2:I was going to say natural disaster, but Armageddon is a natural disaster as well.
Speaker 3:Extraterrestrial disaster.
Speaker 2:Yeah, twister. I mean, is it the only movie on here that let me see? Let me see, uh, bill paxton, it's. It's not the only movie that has a legacy sequel, because Top Gun has one. It's not like the only movie set in middle America, I feel like everything else has.
Speaker 3:Oh, there's no guns in Twister.
Speaker 1:You want that to be your final answer For the second time.
Speaker 3:No, I think that man loves plot.
Speaker 1:Give it to him, show me no guns survey says the reason why twister does not belong on that list is that it is not produced by jerry brockheimer that's not something I fucking will ever know or care about. Jerry brockheimer but you helped him get in there. Yeah, that would have been. That would have been from action to pull and you were really close. I was thinking producers you were really close there when you were talking disney and you were talking scott free yeah, you guys are your fucking nerds.
Speaker 3:I thought that's really might find it, that's really okay, last one.
Speaker 1:Okay, here are your 10 films the Incredibles, star Wars, colon, the Clone Wars oh boy, triple X, patriot Games, menace to Society. These are John's favorite movies. Do the Right Thing. Goodfellas Out of Sight, king of New York and Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2:Holy cow, what a list. What a list. Okay, incredibles. Star Wars, the Clone Wars, triple X, 90s, 90s, 90s, 90s, 90s, 90s, 90s those three are not 90s.
Speaker 1:Could be a good starting question?
Speaker 3:yeah, I think so. Yeah, you're good at this.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't know what I'm doing so the first question is is the movie we're looking for made in the 90s?
Speaker 1:the movie you're looking for is made in the 90s. Okay, well, listen when you can knock off three that's huge.
Speaker 2:That's good, and we don't have to talk about Triple X or Star Wars or the Incredibles. Okay, patriot Games, menace to Society Do the Right Thing. Goodfellas Out of Sight, king of New York and Jurassic Park I actually Read those back to me again real quick.
Speaker 3:Patriot Games Menace to Society. Those back to me again real quick. Patriot games menace to society. Do the right thing goodfellas out of sight.
Speaker 2:King of new york jurassic park. I you think you know it?
Speaker 3:I think I know it. What do you think it is? Is the okay no, no, don't ask, come on check with me first.
Speaker 2:So jurassic park is the only movie on there that uses cgi. Um, the rest of those are like, very much like crime yeah, movies, yeah, very true.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that makes sense. Even the incredibles. There's some crime triple x's crime, star wars, clone wars?
Speaker 2:I guess yeah, but those are off question. Should I just like ask like, is the movie we're looking for, this movie?
Speaker 1:still get one more after that yeah um it's kind of a big risk.
Speaker 3:But what if we just well, I guess it'd be similar if we just said is the movie like a crime movie or have crime in it?
Speaker 2:yeah, I guess it could be well, but but some could say jurassic park there is because he's trying to steal the dna right. I'm gonna go for it yeah go for. It is the movie we're looking for jurassic park.
Speaker 1:The movie you're looking for is not jurassic. That was bad.
Speaker 2:Uh-oh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, huh, it's going to be. Is it one of these? What we should have asked is like the movie you're looking for has something to do with the producer, the director, the actor, all these people that I don't know, and that's the fucking thing.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean Sorry for cussing, that's all right, we're explicit, wow.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we have one more question here. I've been impressed at your ability as a team here to at least find a movie that doesn't belong in the first two rounds. So well done so far. Don't let this train go off the rails. I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 3:Yeah you are.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen a lot of those, so I can't speak to plot. The one that stands at me out of this bliss is Menace to Society.
Speaker 3:What's that one about?
Speaker 2:bliss is menace to society. What's that one about? Um, it is kind of more of an indie film about the streets.
Speaker 1:Uh, is it?
Speaker 2:it's in the same vein now, but it's in the same vein as, like boys so I guess gosh, and I wish I knew what the budgets were, right Like, I feel like that one is definitely like the lowest budget Is the movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 2:Is the movie we're looking for Menace to Society.
Speaker 1:The movie that you are looking for is not Menace to.
Speaker 2:Society.
Speaker 1:That sucks. So now you got to guess out of five movies, I suppose right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's how many? Hey, let me do my thing, yeah go for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, find the plot Tim.
Speaker 3:Stradamus. It's the movie we're looking for Goodfellas.
Speaker 1:The movie you're looking for is not Goodfellas, damn.
Speaker 3:It's the movie we're looking for. I'm going to tell you now because you're out of opportunities here.
Speaker 1:The movie that you were looking for was King of New York. And the reason why you were looking for King of New York is because it's the only film on that list that does not feature Samuel L Jackson.
Speaker 3:I knew it was going to be that. That's why we got to start thinking.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, sam is in. He's in Triple X. He's in Triple X. Wow, is he the villain in Triple x? He's like the uh guy that recruits, recruits, vin and all that jazz okay well there, it is sam samuel, and yeah, that's a good one, because samuel has been in 900 movies he was my desert island actor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was back when we did that episode, so I was like there's a lot to pull from here, and I also didn't want to do the obvious ones where you're like, oh well, okay, well, samuel jackson's in pulp fiction samuel jackson's in some of these more notable films.
Speaker 1:So pulled, pulled kind of deep okay um, some something that I like to do here. This will be we have a couple more mailbag questions that we'll end with, but I have. I have just like a max exclusive letterboxd game here. I really like doing this. I combed through Max's letterboxd. I found films that he rated the same, and now I'm going to ask him if he knows the ratings of these movies.
Speaker 1:Okay. So the following five films you have all rated the same. It's your job now to remember this rating. Okay, first film on this list is john wick, the original john, the original john wick. Okay, the next film on this list is creed 3, the next film on this list is theater camp. The next film on this list is Uncut Gems and the last film on this list is Everything, everywhere, all at Once. I believe all of those are four stars. All of these films, according to Max, are 4.5 films 4.5.
Speaker 2:Four and a half stars Four and a half stars Wow, close. Three. Four and a half stars, you loved it. Stars wow, three three, four and a half stars. Loved it, loved it. You know, I remember coming out as good as uncut gems, some would say. Some would say jesus christ okay, next list um.
Speaker 1:First film on this list is fargo. The next film on this list is it's a Wonderful Life. The next film on this list is Lady Bird. The next film on this list is Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark and the last film on this list is Blade Runner 2049. Okay, these are all four-star films.
Speaker 2:These are all four-star films. Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, really underrated film.
Speaker 1:very good, especially if you read the books back there it's a it's a fun collection of like anthology stories, all kind of told through a narrative lens as good as fargo, I don't know yeah, fargo should be a five star film okay, why?
Speaker 1:but here we go, the next ones, these five films. You all have rated the same first film on this list is joker. The next film on this list is the last duel. Bless you, tim. Sorry. The other three films on this list are pearl after yang and godzilla versus kong these, these are probably max. These are probably 2.5 stars right on the monday, 2.5 okay, your last list of films are nomadland, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings House, the 1977.
Speaker 1:Japanese horror film Piranha 3D and Alfred Hitchcock's Vertigo. Three stars, three stars, Yep On the money. Well done, you know your rankings.
Speaker 2:Kind of.
Speaker 1:You crushed it on those last two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, those films. Yeah, I think it might be time that you return to Vertigo.
Speaker 2:You know we went and saw it in theaters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't know. I think you were under some influence. Some weird spell. I don't know what happened. No-transcript um the ghost of Carlotta probably right taking you over and same with House. House is so fun it's very fun.
Speaker 2:Am I ever gonna fire it up again? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Alright, shout out, letterboxd, we love you. Letterboxd um couple more mailbag questions to take us home, yeah take it home, take it home.
Speaker 3:Hey, good job guys. Thank you, congratulations on 200 episodes thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Thank you for being here you are welcome.
Speaker 3:What movie have you re-watched the most?
Speaker 1:okay. So we were all talking the other night and I told you guys my answer to this might not be the film that you would expect, but it is the God's honest truth. The film that I have watched the most in my life is undoubtedly the Fast and the Furious. There were at least one summer, but I feel like two summers in a row, and so probably really 18 months there, between when that film first hit DVDvd and I could watch it at home, where me and the other kids in my neighborhood just ran that thing back like every single night to the point where my sister and I we've talked about this before shout out rachel mccauley guest in front of the pod.
Speaker 1:We have said there's been, you know, different things that have come across, just like meme, culture, whatever, where it's just if you had to recite 80% of the dialogue for one film and if you did it right you'd get like $10 million or something I would. I'd say fast and the furious could do it. So that's, that's my movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and mine is is not as surprising because it is a film that, like I, have a weird tradition Whenever I move into a new place, poltergeist, I fire this up would be great, that would be a great answer.
Speaker 1:But no first night in a new house.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna watch the conjuring it's my favorite movie of all time. It's john carpenter's the thing. It is a christening of, so predictable.
Speaker 1:Now, this is not to say that max is like nomadic and moving around multiple times.
Speaker 2:I was for a while, but at least you do that, but then also too.
Speaker 1:I mean, like this is a great movie to watch during spooky season. This is a great movie to watch if it's snowy and cold outside.
Speaker 2:It's great to watch if it's hot outside.
Speaker 1:Exactly, it's an escapism.
Speaker 3:Great board game. And a board game and it's such a fun board game we got to get that you got to break that back out for sure. It's like our summertime board game. Yep, um, okay. Next question from the mailbag. Let me pull it out the bag here, rumble around. All right, what two actors would you love to see as an on-screen couple go ahead with this one Max.
Speaker 2:Hmm, what two actors I would love to see.
Speaker 1:Oh, are you thinking of this on the spot here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, I would love you. Know what I would love you?
Speaker 1:know what, give me a PTA movie with a romantic couple of Adam.
Speaker 2:Sandler and Joaquin Phoenix. Okay, Interesting. Yeah, why Two of PTA's guys? I think you know it could be.
Speaker 3:You think they got a lot of chemistry there.
Speaker 2:I think, I think surprisingly there'd be some chemistry. I think so. I can see it. And, uh, it could be and you could go either. You know you have kind of a funny route you could go. You have a really dark, dramatic route you could go. Um, because both of those, both Joaquin and Adam, they've got lots of lanes they can drive in and they could be fugitives on the run. They could just be a happily married couple out in the countryside.
Speaker 1:I like that, I'm going with an older actor approach as well on this question. And now this is a little tricky because these two have been in a movie together before and as quasi-romantic partners. They were a part of a love triangle in Vicky Cristina Barcelona. They were obviously together in real life as well, but I would love to see Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz as a couple in a movie. You get that whole kind of I'm surprised that hasn't happened, well, yeah, and you kind of get that whole eyes wide shut vibe with, like, nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise playing a couple that's maybe going through something when you know that they are together as well offset. So I think that that would be an interesting dynamic to explore and someone who they've both worked with in the past and who I think they would feel very comfortable and okay being vulnerable in front of each other and in front of this director would be Pedro Almodovar, I think could direct them in a film to some great success.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thanks. Next question what's your favorite episode and why such a tough one? Yeah, I.
Speaker 1:I feel like there was always, there's always been like ebbs and flows to the show where like there's like a month to a two-month period where I'm just like, oh, there was just great releases right then and it just like afforded us the opportunity to talk about. Like the first time that we did an episode where we got to talk about, like cronenberg or fincher or somebody like that. When we finally got to the marty episode, like thoseberg or Fincher or somebody like that, when we finally got to the Marty episode, like those were really fun because those feel like big culminating events. But then I'll I always kind of go back and I tell people that if you're going to get into the show, like, hey, you got a movie podcast. Oh, yeah, it's on this platform. Oh, I'm going to go back and listen.
Speaker 1:I usually tell them to go back around episode 50. I feel like right around. Episode 50 is when we upgraded our equipment. It's when we started to get really comfortable on the mics. We had gotten a lot of shows under our belt and so there there are a few around there that I always kind of return to. Like I really liked our soundtrack episode that we did with our buddy van berryman, I really liked the episode that we did.
Speaker 1:I don't think you were a part of this one, but the um the director's cuts episode I feel like was a really fun one. Um, so everything right around there around, like the episode 40 to 50 to 60 mark, yeah, that's at least like so. Maybe not my favorite, but I feel most comfortable telling people like that's a good entry point to to eti yeah, yeah, I, I go back and I really loved.
Speaker 2:I love when we get like just a room full of mics with a bunch of people, um so right around that same period that I'm talking about the a24 bracket.
Speaker 1:a24 bracket was there. That was a good two-parter, yeah that was good.
Speaker 2:I loved the episode we did where we brought the Silver Screams crew on and we did a maxi draft, of course, because you know it's centered around yours truly. It's all about the host.
Speaker 2:But anytime we can, I love the recent draft. We did this past year the 2004 draft with Erica and Kaylee on. That was a lot of fun. And then recency bias Again. My favorite episode in recent weeks was the all decade team. I just I really I loved. I love what we both had to say and what we went through to make that that list and cement it and I just loved that exercise. So start anywhere in the show.
Speaker 3:They're all good. That's weird.
Speaker 1:My favorite episode is this one this has been a really fun one, yeah in your opinion, who is the most overrated actor?
Speaker 2:so again, and you compare this with the, the hot takes, but it for me it's idris elba.
Speaker 1:Oh, he is, yeah, okay and it's, it's weird because he's considered like an A-lister that can open movies.
Speaker 2:I think, I think there is that belief and I don't think he's done anything good since Prometheus Like enough to deserve that. I think he's much better as a side character or a, a, a supporting character. You know, I, I, I just I've never seen it from him and I want to. I love him, I in in the wire, strainer bell, like, give me a, a whole series about strainer bell but which the wire kind of turns into, but he's, he's never, he's never done it for me. On the big screen when he is the lead actor, we're talking like beast or the mountain between us or the dark tower, like he just does not deliver when he is called upon, called upon, and it's sad Cause I think he's got, he's probably got some talent, but I think he's overrated.
Speaker 1:Someone who I have just never caught the appeal of is Benedict Cumberbatch.
Speaker 1:That's a good one, and and I feel like it's because he to me at least, he plays in these two different leagues of superhero IP and then quote, unquote, interesting auteur projects, but the projects have just never clicked for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, and so you know we always like to poke fun at the power of the dog and then also the imitation game. There's just things that haven't really worked for me. And then, because I'm not at all invested in like dr strange or whatever else his contributions are to the mcu, he's somebody that to me it's just never translated into appeal, where somebody who does the same thing but matches their skills and abilities to projects that I think better suit them, like, say, a Chris Hemsworth. I can totally get down on Hemsworth without being interested in his cape and cowl, part of dressing up and being in these Marvel movies, because I'm like you know what else Rips is extraction, yeah, and Rush and Black Hat. So, chris Hemsworth, love what he's done outside of the superhero movies. For Benedict Cumberbatch, like a two-time Oscar-nominated actor now, I've just never gotten the hype for him yeah, good answers.
Speaker 3:All right. Final one from the mailbag is what is the dumbest thing you two have ever argued about on the podcast?
Speaker 1:so we were kind of talking about this because we were like, do we argue or do we like complain about the same things?
Speaker 1:Not too often have we adamantly disagreed on a movie, and I feel like when we have, we can kind of see where each other are coming from. Like, I think about a conversation surrounding something like licorice pizza or killers of the flower moon killers of the flower moon where I think we both find each other's points valid and especially, knowing each other's taste in film and in story and what the two of us consider appealing, we we understand why some things may or may not work for the other person. And so this was a hard one for me to answer, because I think there's definitely times where you can go back and you can find episodes that we don't see a movie through the same set of eyes. But for the most part, it's not like we're sitting here saying that, like this director is one of the best working directors or this actor is one of the best working actors, and the other person is, like, adamantly against that thought process.
Speaker 2:Right, I think I think, objectively, probably the dumbest thing we've ever argued about on the show is madame webb, because, because, just objectively, I think that that movie is really dumb, but and we, we, I think we did a whole episode about it. Yeah, however, I also think that was a really really great episode and a really great conversation, so I wouldn't say it was really even an argue that much. Right, it was just like you saw it through a way different lens than I did and you know, again, I think we come to a common ground most times than not, and you know what.
Speaker 1:I actually liked that answer because the question asks what's one of the dumbest things that you've ever argued about, correctly, am I reciting that one of the dumbest hills that I've chosen to plant a flag on is that madame webb is a fun movie that I feel like most people should be able to find enjoyment out of. When, really, if you hate that movie, I understand why, but I'm still going to be here to try to tell you there's worse ways to spend 100 minutes within comic book ip right, and one of why one of the dumbest hills I planted my flag on early on in the show's existence was that apocalypse now is the most overrated movie of all time that was one of our first strong disagreements.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I don't want to bring up old dirt buried that hatchet.
Speaker 1:We made it to 200, got past that and honestly, I've, I've almost come around on that yes, point, yeah I did see there are dumb things we've said before I did the last episode and you know not to get ahead of, like our preview for next week.
Speaker 1:But I did see the interview that you referenced on last week's pod where Garland's talking about the romanticization of war in Apocalypse Now and how he tried to make Civil War feel different than that, and so I haven't seen that film. I'm looking forward to it, just based off of your response to him, your response as well, and everything else that I've seen um people who I value their opinions and the ratings that they've given it on letterboxd, so that'll be a fun one to talk about here within the coming weeks. But kind of brings it full circle. Yeah, going back to uhola and Apocalypse, now there's a couple. Here's an episode format that we've talked about doing a lot that I think was brought up in a mailbag on a previous episode too, but having some sort of like the ETI rafters, like movies that we want to sort of just like retire, or that we consider Hall of Famers retire, or that we consider hall of famers, yeah, um.
Speaker 1:So that would be an interesting one to kind of workshop and to get to one day, because I feel like sooner or later I mean we did it with horror movies one year around halloween and I think a few of our, our nominations, our inductees, have since been remade and that's only within the last like three years or something totally.
Speaker 1:But you know we've already talked about the impending night of the hunter remake. We have a prequel to rosemary's baby coming out this year. Um, there's, you know, movies like apocalypse now are always being brought up in the the light of current new movies coming out and inspirations and what have you. So, yeah, that would be a fun one one day, anything that we haven't done yet in 200 episodes that you're looking forward to.
Speaker 2:Listen, I think, especially because I'm in film history classes now, uh, I think, going further and further back in history, you know we set the seventies are kind of the earliest we've ever really touched. You know, uh, if we go and go, and we're going to have to, if there's a night of the Hunter movie coming out, if there's a Rosemary Rosemary's baby prequel coming out, I think maybe going into the sixties, the fifties, and I, you know, on our own time we've explored that, those time periods on our own.
Speaker 1:But but yeah, I think I think you know always going backwards, doing like a French New Wave episode or something.
Speaker 3:I'm really looking forward to the Tim draft, the Tim draft, the Tim draft.
Speaker 1:Listen, intern Tim. It's been a pleasure having you on here. We do need to incorporate yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:Get in an episode. It's got to happen now.
Speaker 2:We have not talked about it until now. Number one pick no, I die. I die on that day with you book is way better yeah, failed adaptations could be a fun one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely, okay, well, episode 200. There it is. We did it we hope you have enjoyed. Next week, we will be talking about some recent releases. Not only do we have Civil War to discuss, but also we have things like Late Night with the Devil. Challengers will be out by the end of this month, and so we're very excited, looking forward to talking about, I'm telling you, this year, in 2024, which is, I think, already maybe surpassing the middle- at least least the middle grounds of what we had from 2023.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I will say that the, the lesser known releases is are looking good, but you know we still got the summer to come.
Speaker 1:We do.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of crap still to come out I can't wait for we also have a plan of the apes coming up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen you doing a little bit of homework on those already.
Speaker 2:Yep, I dove into the making of documentary and now I suppose I'll start on the series. But yeah, lots of things coming this summer.
Speaker 1:I can't wait Exciting stuff. Well, in the meantime, be sure to follow the two of us on Letterboxd to track what we're watching between episodes. Tim, once again, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3:It was an honor. Thank you both.
Speaker 1:And we will talk to you next time on Excuse the Intermission, where movies still matter.
