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Analyzing Furiosa & Box Office Blues + Max's Birthday Celebration
What happened to "Furiosa: Mad Max Saga" at the box office? Despite extensive advertising, the latest entry in George Miller's beloved dystopian series didn't quite hit the mark in domestic markets. In this episode, we dissect why "Furiosa" underperformed, especially around the busy Memorial Day weekend that coincided with Max Fosberg's birthday—a time historically linked with major movie premieres. We'll also take a nostalgic trip down memory lane, revisiting past birthday movie releases while comparing "Furiosa's" domestic and international reception, particularly in Australia.
Is the superhero genre showing signs of fatigue? We dive headfirst into the future of big-budget blockbusters, starting with the highly-anticipated "Deadpool and Wolverine" crossover. Joined by Derrick Schneider, we discuss the fan demand for this Marvel mash-up and speculate on its potential box office success, even as superhero fatigue sets in. From there, we pivot back to the rich lore and dense storytelling of "Furiosa," analyzing its heavy action sequences and emotional beats in comparison to past Mad Max films. We'll also touch on Chris Hemsworth's unique take on the villain role and how it stacks up against previous antagonists in the series.
What do Max Fosberg's favorite movies reveal about him? Celebrating Max's birthday, we host a lively game of Jeopardy featuring his top 10 favorite films on Letterboxd. With special guests Derek Schneider from Silver Screams podcast and Kaylee Quinones—who expertly designed the game—we turn up the competitive spirit and share laughs over movie trivia. From neo-modern westerns to classic cinema and behind-the-scenes movie facts, this fun-filled episode wraps up with reflections on future directions for the Mad Max franchise, all while blending a love for trivia and cinema. Join us for an episode packed with banter, deep dives, and, of course, birthday celebrations!
how's it? I'm alex mccauley and I'm max fosberg, and this is excuse the intermission. The discussion show surrounding furiosa, furiosa mad max saga is here. In the movie of memorial day weekend, we'll be chatting about the latest dystopian vision from filmmaker george miller and then doing a little bit of celebrating for our own Mad Max. Max Fosberg just celebrated a birthday, so we've gathered our own band of heathens to help commemorate another year of Max's travels around the sun. A lot of fun packed into this episode which begins on the other side of this break.
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Speaker 1:All right Max, how are you doing today, one day, officially, one day after your birthday, memorial Day here, 2024, three-day weekend for most people, busy weekend at the movies if you're an orange cat named Garfield.
Speaker 2:How are? You doing Uh great. You know uh, feeling, feeling strong. You know uh, 34 mid officially in the mid thirties. Uh, the mind has never been stronger. The body is is falling apart. But uh, we're here. Uh, hopefully that mind uh, uh, hopefully that mind uh can uh, do some damage on our uh jeopardy game later.
Speaker 1:This episode. Um, yeah, we have a few friends in the studio here. A little little soft intro. Um, you'll hear more from them later, but we got. We got derrick and kaylee here with us today, that's right. Um, so let's see furiosa. Max fosberg's birthday did. Did you know that this was going to be a thing? Were you looking forward to seeing this movie on your birthday? Because we did this yesterday without almost any recognition of the fact that we were going to a movie on your birthday, I feel like. I feel like we just kind of like got together, saw this movie and then everyone went our separate ways well, you know, I we've, we've seen a lot.
Speaker 1:You know, we've seen a lot of each other.
Speaker 2:We've seen a lot of each other this weekend. We have you and I got to golf on Saturday Gosh we've done the most. You know, I was with Andy Friday night and then Saturday and Sunday. But yeah, you know, one of the benefits of being born on Memorial Day weekend is that you usually get some sort of big release. You know, at one time it was the Star Wars prequels. I know we went and saw Alien Isolation one year for my birthday.
Speaker 1:Covenant maybe.
Speaker 3:Or Covenant. Yeah, excuse me, isolation, I think that's the video game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tell you what that Romulus trailer sounded really good. Yesterday I saw you covering your eyes. Or Covenant, yeah, excuse me. Yes, yeah, Isolation. I think that's the video game. That's the video game. Yeah, Tell you what that Romulus trailer sounded really good.
Speaker 2:Yesterday I saw you covering your eyes Of course, well done, of course, because that movie is going to fuck and I cannot wait to spill alien guts all over myself watching that film. But, yeah, it was a great time we had a great group watching that film. Um, but yeah, it was a great time we had. We had a great group uh furious.
Speaker 1:I believe the, the original mad max, might even come out on memorial day weekend back in 2014 there's definitely like a summer release and it is funny to think that you know the summer calendar of movies really does start with memorial day weekend. Um, more traditionally, of course, fourth of july weekend, independence day, is really when your big flash, that's when you think of Independence Day, other films like that coming out.
Speaker 1:But it is interesting because there are certain expectations then that come along with releasing on Memorial Day weekend, and for this discussion at least, Furiosa certainly is not living up to this top spot.
Speaker 2:Did it get outgrossed by the cat?
Speaker 1:I believe they're like tied. When you look at the three-day weekend Now, you can look at that and say that's either terrible for Furiosa or it's great for Garfield I think there's a little bit of truth in both of those statements or it's great for Garfield. I think there's a little bit of truth in both of those statements. It's good for the box office that there are two high $20 million movies out there right now and actually at the end of today. The Monday dailies are already in, and so Furiosa grossed $32 million domestically over the three-day holiday weekend and then another $32 million worldwide.
Speaker 1:So um you are an international market, so the worldwide total is like 64.8 million I'm curious to know what the australian numbers how much of that is? Yeah, from down under. Yeah, um, it's gonna be really hard not to do that that voice after watching some of the original movies um over the course of like the last 12 hours, but but no, it's so, it's.
Speaker 1:It's disappointing. It's disappointing that this film, in the wake of things like dune and some of these other big blockbuster sequels that have been released this year, is not performing well. Is there anything that you chalk that up to? Because this movie's been advertised a ton. It's on social media, it's on the nba, you know conference finals commercials. I see it everywhere. The first one was a big success anya taylor, joy chris hemsworth. You put a lot of these stars on the posters. You would think that this would have done better. What do you count it, what? What do you account that for? And then, kaylee, if you wouldn't jump in as well, please do um, you know, I, I, unfortunately, sadly I.
Speaker 2:I think it is a sign that, like the only fucking movies that people go to are fucking superhero movies. I mean, because this this is another odd thing about this year is that you know, also in in this slot and really in in of the month of May, whether it's the first weekend of May when Fall Guy came out, or in this slot, usually you're going to have some sort of Marvel or DC you know picture in there, and the fact that it's not there does that mean that really people just are kind of over going to the movie theater?
Speaker 4:I totally don't agree. Yeah, just want to hot. I do not agree.
Speaker 1:I don't really agree with that either, because we saw Dune have a ton of success.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly Like I feel like this movie was really poorly advertised, Like you think so poorly, I think so. I feel a bit hot.
Speaker 2:Like the trailer certainly wasn't.
Speaker 1:It was not what the film was at all and now that's what you have been saying for months now, at least. Maybe not in comparison to the feature, because we haven't seen it yet, but you have been telling me it's been documented on this pod for months that it's a bad trailer. And now that's where I would once again just advise people if you're going to go see the movie, if you're in, don't watch the trailer.
Speaker 2:Right see the movie.
Speaker 1:If you're in, don't watch the trailer right but now. But now you obviously that's not me saying that on a little podcast here in the pacific northwest is not going to stop studios from wanting to advertise everywhere possible, so you have to do that, but then it just run. You run the risk of having a bad trailer well, well, but okay.
Speaker 2:So if it's a bad trailer, why do you think that a bad trailer is not enough?
Speaker 1:is going to turn that many people away.
Speaker 4:I think it's a bad trailer.
Speaker 2:Why do you think that a bad trailer is not enough?
Speaker 4:is going to turn that away. I think it's something else. Why?
Speaker 2:aren't there more people who are like I'm in?
Speaker 4:I think the other thing is that, like, fury road is a masterpiece, it's like I don't think people really had faith that this was going to chalk up, especially because you don't have tom hardy, you don't have charlie's there and I think, losing the star cast of Fury Road. I think that for me, that made me skeptical where I was like I like Anya a lot and I don't like Chris Hemsworth, but yeah, I do like Anya, so I was excited to see her do something, but I feel like the cast change is a big factor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I feel like those two are comparable to what Tom Hardy and Charlize were in 2014.
Speaker 1:And maybe even bigger. Well, I would say so, I would say so.
Speaker 4:In different ways, though.
Speaker 1:The other thing too and this is going to be kind of the over, this is going to the legacy of Fury Road is going to loom over this conversation very heavily, because that movie came out of nowhere, caught people by surprise and now has lived on as this masterpiece.
Speaker 1:That your words, not mine but, still this very, very, very, very good film. It is, in many, many people's opinion, a five-star film, one of the best of the 2010s. Now, I'm not necessarily here to argue that, but I am here to say that I don't think people should be expecting Furiosa to be on par with that film, and so then that's where my question is is like are people just waiting for VOD for this movie?
Speaker 2:Well, that might be the other thing too, right, because was it Fall Guy that like went to VOD after 17 days? Is it already available?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's wild, and I mean Challengers went really fast as well. Our beloved the First Omen, still not yet.
Speaker 2:I love it. Ride it out.
Speaker 4:May 31st Ride it out.
Speaker 2:We're still in theaters somewhere.
Speaker 1:I love that, still collecting the gross, I digress. I just think it's really interesting, though, because even if you're gonna to watch this movie I don't want to say out of spite, but like, even if you're going to watch this movie and be hypercritical because the first one was so lofty and so excellent, I still think you should still go judge it, judge, judge it on its merits in the theater. Don't wait till you're at home and you can't experience the sound and the visuals. There's great home theater setups and everything like that, but it's not going to live up to the in-theater experience. People showed up for Dune. They didn't show up for this. It's a little bit of a mystery to me.
Speaker 4:I feel like this is as much worth it to see in the theater. If I was going to see this movie, I would want to see in the theater. I do not want to see this movie at home, personally.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and honestly, that's going to skew. If so many people are waiting for VOD and they fire it up on their little TVs at home with their motion smoothing on and the sound coming out of their TV speakers, it's going to skew the love of the movie, because it really is a really good movie. And, unfortunately, though, if people aren't seeing it in the conditions that you're supposed to see, especially something like this that is just action-packed, stunt-oriented, huge sound, if you're watching it at home, it's going to be a lesser experience I so dune part two, just hit hbo max.
Speaker 1:Yeah, watched it the other night after we had all gone to see fairy or um, furiosa actually, and it was. It was an interesting. I found myself in an interesting position because I was sitting there thinking I'm thinking I'm not excusing certain things, but knowing what this looked and felt and sounded like in the theater, I'm giving it more grace here at home. And that's not to say that when scaled down you find blemishes or anything like that. You find blemishes or anything like that. But some of the questions that we had about like the, the hearkening gladiator scene and stuff, they just don't feel as epic. Um, when you're watching that them at home and they just almost feel more, I don't know. Everything just feels more sort of like even keeled, and it loses that epic scale, whereas, like, I feel like this movie will do the same.
Speaker 1:That is the one exciting. Exciting thing about fairy road is that the more times you watch fairy road, the greater of an appreciation you gain for the stunts and the scale, even if you are watching it at home. However, for me that movie starts to lose a little bit in its story and its simplicity the more you rewatch it at home. But that really just allows you to focus on the stunts. What I loved about this film is the story, and I do think that they did a really good job building out the lore, at least for the Furiosa character, and so we can kind of start to go into, you know, our interpretations of the movie and its overall effectiveness, but just to kind of put a pin in that opening bit there really interesting that this movie is not doing well, I did not have that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. I hope I don't know what I mean. Honestly, I think we will know a lot when, unfortunately, when Deadpool and Wolverine comes out right. Like if that's a hundred million dollar movie, if that's a hundred million dollar movie in the first weekend. I mean it's kind of that's a hundred million dollar movie in the first weekend.
Speaker 1:I mean it's kind of that's going to be the writing on the wall that like, wow, crowds are only going to come out for this even when it's r-rated, when it's not family friendly, like I know people in my school who are already planning on taking their kids to see that movie and I'm like, based off of even that little like teaser that amc is showing right now, it's profanity laced like, yeah, it's wild um, but you're right that that's actually a really good barometer to keep our eye on. Um is the is it deadpool and wolverine, or wolverine and deadpool I think it's deadpool wolverine.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah, technically a deadpool movie yeah, I just think it's gonna be weird for that to do better than this, because furioso, like it is what it is. It's like you're saying there was story. One of my friends who responded to my like little thought on furiosa was like because I said it was okay, that's kind of my feeling about it, and she was like, yeah, I wanted more story and I was like there was a lot of story in this movie but it's extremely dense yeah, I'm really dense with story, but then all at the same time, like it did have these action sequences that were so heavy which made me think that maybe, um, but yeah, just made me think, like I feel like I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 4:In some ways, that was definitely one of my critiques were, like there was these like huge action sequences and then like the story was good but it wasn't that engaging. Like I said this, like the mother element in the beginning, like I wasn't immediately like oh god, her mother died, like that, that moment wasn't big for me. So like I think, just the feeling, the feeling wasn't all there for me, that I feel like it was trying to emit. That was my main critique of it, but I love I personally wish some people want more story. It was meant to be a story-driven film and for me I liked the action way more.
Speaker 1:It's interesting Cause I feel like the first film is a bunch of action set pieces with with small little little dashes of story put in there, and then I almost feel like this film was story and then they had to figure out where to fit in action.
Speaker 4:Totally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, story and then they had to figure out where to fit in action. Totally yeah. I saw a really interesting reading of this uh film online. That, like fury road, was like the experiment for george miller to see like how far the technology had grown since thunderdome, what he could do out in the dunes with these big rigs, and then furiosa feels like this is kind of the story, the lore, the plot that he wanted to tell.
Speaker 1:And then that's so interesting because when you look back at Mad Max from 1979 and then Mad Max 2 from 1981, it's the inverse right. Right, totally that first movie is all story.
Speaker 2:All story.
Speaker 1:And now, granted, that's before this societal collapse has taken place, and then you get to number two with the bigger budget and george miller like kind of letting the reins loose a little bit and it's all action and almost no story really like it just turns into aliens I. I had never seen mad max 2 before prepping for this pod, and the movie's not for me it is uh non-stop car chases yeah and, like people in football pads, shooting flamethrowers with mohawks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, flamethrowers, exactly, derrick. I saw you turn up your volume there. Derrick, want to say hello to the people and, uh, you can chime in here how you guys doing uh, I was, uh, I kind of I've been sitting out because I have not seen fury right um, but when you guys were talking about sort of the watching the deadpool wolverine thing, it kind of perked something in me.
Speaker 3:It's it's max, like you were saying, kind of the demand thing. I think people are getting a little worn on the superhero genre. Like a lot of the superhero movies that have been coming out recently have not done as well, right, so I think there's a little bit of like fatigue in audiences for superhero movies. However, there are some things that people have been clamoring for movies.
Speaker 3:However, there are some things that people have been clamoring for and I know that, like in the deadpool universe, like his, of his like thing for wolverine right, it's like a thing from the first two deadpool movies.
Speaker 3:So people have kind of been are they gonna do? Are the? Is there gonna be an actual like crossover movie that comes out? And so now that this is here, like that is something that they've like teased in the first two, and so now it's here, like that's sort of like I guess like probing for the appetite, like to see, like are people really going to demand this? So let's like throw out little tidbits here and see what it does and if there is enough interest like that we feel would be worth it, let's make that movie. So here we are with that movie coming out and I think that is going to perform very, very well. I don't know if there was as much demand for, uh like, a story-driven mad max movie, totally, uh like furiosa is supposed to be.
Speaker 1:I think there was. I think that people left that movie, and some of the critiques that I've read is that, like you know, it's not like fairy road, because it's not a mad max movie anymore, it's a mad max saga. That's in the title, right, right, but I re-watched, uh, fairy road the other night. Fairy road's not really a mad max movie either. That's a furiosa movie, totally. And and so I think that and now this has been a long time.
Speaker 1:This, this production's taken a long time to get off the ground. It was delayed in 2023. It was supposed to be released last year. I think COVID kind of slowed some things down, but then it came back around and the casting of Anya Taylor-Joy was really exciting. And so, people, I do think we're looking forward to this. And now that's where I'm just like a little upset, because, for the people that are really critical of it, that are like hyper critical of it, I feel like sometimes you just can't have your cake and eat it too, like you should just be kind of happy with what you get here and and now I get it if you want to take a stance against big budget, blockbuster, big studio movies in general, and if these movies just aren't your cup of tea, then they're just not your cup of tea and you're not gonna like them thank you, I appreciate that acceptance.
Speaker 1:Oh, totally, I mean if you're, if you're, if you're one of those people I mean, that's, that's like me with superhero movies, like I'm just never gonna watch a superhero movie that I really, really like, but I will watch any shutter original and find a reason to be like. You know, this is a worthwhile horror film right because I, you just have your lanes right, um.
Speaker 1:But then again I'm like for the people who just think it's kind of like okay, but that we're huge fans of the first one, that's where my big confusion, um, is kind of lying, because I'm like, how do you, how do you watch fairy road and then watch furiosa and find like, if you just think it's recycled, then I guess that's, that's then reason to like kind of shift in that other direction, right, and just like hate it. But if you're a fan of the first one and you're getting more story and more lore and new actors, fresh faces, and there's still all the stunt work and everything else, like there's no reason not to, I think, enjoy this movie and recommend it.
Speaker 4:That's, that's at least where I stand I think it's really memorable and like, honestly, I even like my me saying it's okay, like there's still, like I still remember I just saw yesterday also. But yeah, I do, like it's very memorable, like everything that happens to her as a young girl, like that whole first act, like the first act is very memorable and, like you know, her first escape like not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no spoilers, but like that's like one of my favorite scenes I mean it's told in like vignettes, right, yeah, like there's a lot of really beautiful moments in this film.
Speaker 4:I think that it should get some credit for that, because it does have some moments that really work and I think there's some moments that don't work and maybe that's why it gets.
Speaker 1:It's getting critical I guess the three of us haven't really, we haven't really none of us have really planted a flag yet on where we stand. I I enjoyed the film. I'd say it's like a high 80s, 85 to like 88 range for me. I can't go to like a four and a half star just because I think that there's some continuity stuff. I think there's some questions put in my letterbox review just about once, once the furiosa character is fully come of age in this story we're trying to mask our identity. We're also not trying to mask our identity a lot like like sort of nitpicky stuff, but also things that like when you're really paying attention to it, you just they linger and and they kind of get in your way of of enjoying certain parts. Again, no spoilers, but I think everyone's anticipating there's going to be a scene in this movie where she loses her arm. That really like was a pillow fight of a scene I feel like.
Speaker 2:And that needed to be a lot more Left to be more to be desired.
Speaker 1:So much more, so, much more. So there's definitely room for improvement with this, but I really enjoyed the film. I don't know You've been sneaky. You haven't given it a rating on Letterboxd. I have no idea how you feel about this movie.
Speaker 2:It's really hard because it is again. It is a from an action point of view. George Miller is a master of shooting these vehicles and chases and, like some of the stuff he does in this movie, does up the stunt work from Fury Road. The ingenuity is like off the charts and, derek, I'm so sorry, but like the flying, some of the flying stuff, like the propeller stuff unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 3:I don't know why you're apologizing to me. I I have yet to see this movie. So I don't know, and I I will say that, like I, I've seen fury road and I wasn't a. It was, it wasn't. I'm trying to like word this right I it's not like I was a big fury road like I'm gonna go see this multiple times I enjoyed. I enjoyed that movie a lot, like it's an action spectacle yeah, I enjoyed.
Speaker 3:It's not a derrick cortex, sure yeah, uh, but I I was able to enjoy that movie. When I saw the previews for this one, it kind of, I guess, kaylee, like you were saying, sort of the, the promotion, the advertising behind it and stuff. I I, kaylee, like you were saying, sort of the, the promotion, the advertising behind it and stuff. I I wasn't sure where this movie was gonna sit totally the tone of they were going for this movie.
Speaker 3:It felt like they were trying to take thor from uh, love and thunder and plant him in max world.
Speaker 1:I gotta go back and watch these trailers now, down, down to the red cape.
Speaker 2:I mean they literally, and it's funny because he starts out with a white cape or I think it's a parachute or something that's very messiah like yeah, and then it literally gets colored red and you're like, oh wow, that is thor. And and then he's on the chariot, which is another thor, asgardian, whatever that kind of time is this is this.
Speaker 3:Are they taking this seriously? Is this supposed to be a serious movie? Or is this just Chris Hemsworth getting this? Because he's done the apology thing for Love and Thunder, where he felt like he hammed it up a little bit too much and took away from what was supposed to be. He kind of took it in a direction that he maybe regrets a little bit. So I felt like, was this sort of an avenue for him to kind of carry that energy that he had in that and put that into this world?
Speaker 2:he's, he's definitely a buffoon in this, but I think his character has to be, has to be here and has to be kind of be a buff. Every single villain in this franchise has been very flamboyant, yeah flamboyant, of course, but he's very different from Immortan Joe Sure, when Immortan Joe is very brooding and operatic right, yeah, a little more calculated too.
Speaker 1:I'd say yeah, and then?
Speaker 2:Dementus Hemworth's character in this is like he can't keep his own band together.
Speaker 4:Right yeah.
Speaker 2:He is chaotic. He is chaos, not a warlord yeah, but I think he does a decent job. It's nice to see him play something that's not a hero. I think he did a good job too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think he's very enjoyable.
Speaker 1:I love the prosthetics.
Speaker 4:Prosthetics really helped him.
Speaker 1:The nose and whatever they did with making his brow.
Speaker 2:He borrowed that from Bradley Cooper. The nose oh did he? That's just the maestro nose. They just took it right off the maestro set Getting passed around. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I really liked his whole, his whole attitude um going into this character. I thought that I thought that he understood his role pretty well, and and you know that he's a character that at the end, like are, because of what's happened in fairy road, we know that in morton, joe is not going to be the big bad yeah of film necessarily. Maybe he's the overarching big bad. I mean, he is right, Right, but in this film you're focused on the Furiosa and Dementus relationship.
Speaker 4:Which I feel like they didn't sell it, Like I just didn't really catch, like. So there's this whole thing with the teddy bear right. Once again, no spoilers, but I can't say much about it, but like he basically adopts feriosa for her entire adolescence.
Speaker 4:Yeah but like, even at the very beginning, when he says to her, like you're gonna show us tomorrow, like where the the thing that they want from her, kind of like, but then that doesn't, he just wants her as his daughter actually I was I just like his intention was really confusing to me. Like are they protecting her because they're hoping she's eventually going to take them to this land that she's from? Or are they taking her because he wants a kid. I just feel like that was kind of like wishy-washy for me.
Speaker 2:Well, and this movie has a hard task of jumping around in time, right Like it's supposed to cover 15 years.
Speaker 1:Right yeah.
Speaker 2:And like that's really hard to do in a two and a half hour movie. You know, it's almost like maybe George should have made this into like a part one, part two, thing, right, like where you've got baby baby Horizon part one and part two. Oh, there's four parts to that. Oh, brother, they just started production on part three.
Speaker 2:We can't wait to sleep through all those movies. But you know so, as I was saying, george Miller is a master at what he does in these films and those again. Those parts are extremely thrilling. Inventive stuff you've never seen before. Loves a big rig. I think in the middle it gets a little soggy or it gets a little plump or dense or bloated, I think it rushes at the end a little bit.
Speaker 2:I loved the pacing of the first 90 minutes, and I think that's because in the middle we maybe linger a little too long, because then, yeah, you're right. Also, at the end we're going into spoilers here.
Speaker 4:It's hard yeah.
Speaker 2:Furiosa has chased down Dementus. We're out in the desert, just them two. I like the fact that it you know I've heard a lot of people be like oh, it's like Kill Bill Volume 2, where it's like a talk-off at the end instead of like a big fight right. I enjoy that. I think there's really good banter. The actors are great, fieryosa does the deed and I understand. And then the narrator comes in and is like this may happen, this may happen or this might have happened.
Speaker 4:I thought that was charming. I liked that.
Speaker 2:Again, really cool storytelling tactic. But why doesn't Fieryosa take her car and drive to the place of abundance? Right then. Why does she go back to the Citadel, why? And drive to the place of abundance, right then. Why does she go back to the Citadel, why? Why do we cause? Then it goes right into uh her smuggling out the breeders, yeah. And then we see clips from Fury Road, which is always kind of an odd choice, I think, to show clips from a previous movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, To kind of like yeah To like remind you, like we know, and yeah to remind you, yeah, I know, we know. Yeah, and everyone loves that movie. You don't need to pump that movie up anymore. So I found the ending a little confusing For you. I would say you have this car, you are out in the middle of the desert, no one knows, and Morton Joe doesn't know you're out where you are at.
Speaker 1:I do understand her wanting to go back to liberate the, the people who she feels are enslaved yeah, but but she got more of that then. But yeah, and I feel like or more time with the breeders. Well, well, I feel like I don't ever want to spend more time up there in that room re-watching fairy road. I'm like the sexual politics of this world are very gross it's it's really not good. I don't want to spend any more time with them, um, but maybe we need to, maybe we do need to, but then I think that this then I think that these movies
Speaker 1:yes, it becomes a whole different thing. Um, and I think you're just gonna upset a lot more people, but, but I do think maybe we need to. Um, it would just be a completely different movie though, right? Um, but I think that that that's where we need, almost then, like we needed a middle movie where we go from, like anya taylor joy to charlize theron, where they're on where it's like we need. We need that maturity, we need that mother furiosa to come out, where it's like I am now going to be the liberator of, of all the other women here in the Citadel, whereas, like this movie, she was much more still, just kind of like, kind of fighting for her own.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then her and the Tom Burke character. They develop a little bit of relationship and it's kind of the first time that she's learned to trust anybody else in this world and so I thought that that whole dynamic worked really well between those two characters. And so I thought that that whole dynamic worked really well between those two characters. But I just feel like that last it kind of did the same, dune Part 2 kind of did the same thing, right when like the pacing of that movie after just rewatching it it's so great for so long. And then we're just kind of going from the north to the south, from the north to the south.
Speaker 1:It's the same thing with this one where it's kind of just like we're talking about this meeting that's going to happen in three days, and then we're back at the bullet farm, and then we're back at gas town and then, yeah, has it been three days yet? Because all of a sudden we're back at bullet town and and chris hemsworth is still there and there's been some kind of massacre and we're not really sure what's happening.
Speaker 2:There's a 40-day war somewhere yes, exactly that we get to see a montage.
Speaker 1:So just, it's just rushed at the end and it gets. It gets a little sticky there and I think that's what's stopping it from being like the word of mouth is going to be really interesting because I think that I think that people will praise it for, for what it does as far as expanding the universe, but as far as, like overcomplicating things, I think that they did that for whatever reason. I've been using like a coloring book as as kind of my analogy for this movie where, like Fury Road, it's so easy to stay inside the lines yeah, you're just down and back.
Speaker 3:Simple chase and it's awesome.
Speaker 1:But like not too much detail, right, right, the detail is in all the stunts and everything else, like that. Right, the story of this is so dense and so intricate that, like we're, a couple of times we color outside the lines and we start to bleed into other areas of this picture, and so you feel that you do feel that, but no, overall I mean I enjoyed it. I don't know if there's anything else that we haven't really talked about yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's good. I think I'm closer to like an 80, 79 range. I think it's good. I think I'm closer to like an 80-79 range. You know it was interesting. It was making me think about Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, which was another like long standing sci-fi sequel that we got this year. That also is extremely dense and does kind of have some of the like in the middle. It gets a little, we get a little plump right and then we kind of we rush a little bit through the end there. And it's just interesting that these big budget films seem to have a problem. They have such great ideas and execution up to like, yeah, like an hour and 10 marks.
Speaker 2:It's that bridge between, like the second and the third act, yeah, and I wonder what's going on with that, but I don't know. I was asking myself is this better than Kingdom of the Apes? And I think ultimately it is just due to the physicality and the stunt work done in this film. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, it's got to be a four star right to the physicality and the stunt work done in this film. Yeah, so it's got to be a four star right Because Kingdom of the Apes is a three and a half pretty solid, like straight up, like decent movie. But what am I going to rewatch sooner? I think I'm going to rewatch Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes sooner than I rewatch Furiosa.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 2:I don't know. It's so hard. That's why I haven't I haven't gone on Letterboxd it's. I've been thinking about it for the past 24 hours.
Speaker 4:It's really so, I think, can they both live in a three and a half world but be on a different spectrum? I feel?
Speaker 2:like Three and a half feels really honestly too low for Furiosa.
Speaker 4:It is really well done. I felt weird when I I did three and a half too and like well, well, you haven't chosen yet, but I just three and a half, and yeah, I think it is hard because it is really well done and like especially the first act. I think the first act was really well done. The second act, but, yeah, once it gets to that weird area, that doesn't work. It's like I think you just lose that and like what can you do? I think kingdom of the planet, kingdom of the planet of the apes, is different. It's a little bit cleaner, I think, than even furiosa. In some ways it's obviously different. So I just feel like it's once again. Comparing movies is really hard, so but yeah, I think they both can be three and a half personally, but furiosa can still maybe even be a better film within the three and a half yeah, I mean, that's just where, like, the minutiae starts to show in these letterbox ratings and in the rotten tomato certified fresh, and everything else like.
Speaker 1:That right because like I want to be able to light up each point of the star literally, because like I have it at a four out of five right now so like, if I'm grading out, that's a 80, right, but I started by saying that, like, I feel like it's closer to an 85 to an 88 somewhere, but I'm not even though I'm on the other side of 85, I'm not willing to go all the way up to a four and a half star movie on this. So I feel like you can be the same with the three and a half star rating. You're not saying that it's a 70% effective film.
Speaker 1:You can be saying that it's like a 75 to a 78, 79, even like what you said earlier but earlier, but you're just not quite there at like a, b yet. It's just not grading out that well. So we'll see. It'll be very interesting to kind of, because that's the other thing is that mad max ferry road came out of nowhere, swept a lot of the technical categories at the oscars and has just lived on as this, like object of almost, like it's transcended cult obsession because it's very mainstream, but it's still regarded as like almost it's. It's so funny to think that it's a game-changing movie it really is absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that feels almost like the first mad max from 79, where you're like it's, even though a huge budget, it has this independent feel to it.
Speaker 2:Fury road does, at least, because you're just like this was a band of filmmakers and actors who got together and had a clear vision and they executed it perfectly, whereas this just feels a little bit more hollywood right, yeah, yeah, and you know, again, this is like nitpicking, but like you can, you can see the cg in this one, like in in fury road, you, you can't really until, like you rewatch it a couple of times. Right, like I think of, like when the wives are on the truck and it's pulling away, right, obviously, green screen in this. There are moments where it is. It's pretty blatant.
Speaker 1:I also feel like George fell in love. He. He's been in love with the, with the frame rate adjustment, For a long time. He watched all these Mad Max movies, and to the point where I had to read is there a quote from him on why he does this, or?
Speaker 2:whatever Speed ramping and there is it's?
Speaker 1:because he wants to honor the silent film era and tell stories without dialogue, and now that's the other challenging part. He's really good at that. He really is, but I think he overdoes it on this film. And then again, I think that this movie kind of suffers from. What Mad Max 2 suffers from is that that first film, whether it's Mel Gibson or everything else that's happening there's not a lot of dialogue in that movie and Fury Road is notorious especially the Tom Hardy character for not really talking. I would argue that this movie probably has like not even really argue, but I would just point out that this movie probably has like twice the amount of dialogue is very road and so again, there's just more room for air when you're opening up.
Speaker 1:You know the world that much. So again like a bigger swing, and I appreciate the bigger swing. Um, I it's going to be interesting, like in three or four years which movie I gravitate towards more, because, depending on if we get a third film, who knows if it's going to be more of the furiosa story. I would kind of like we were talking to our buddy heath. I would kind of like to see the collapse of society, because totally in all of the mad max movies we've yet to get that, because one jumps to two, and two is post world war three, and so now maybe that becomes something different.
Speaker 1:That's not a mad max movie anymore, that's almost like a civil war kind of movie right but I still would love to see george miller make a mad max apocalypse movie or like a world war three kind of movie well, it's also really interesting that he in this movie he tells you we are in australia.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, like we. We see the world, we're flying around the world and we go right into the continent of Australia.
Speaker 1:Very true.
Speaker 2:So like, well, you know what else is going on around the world, in this, in this world?
Speaker 4:I don't know I want to touch on. I'm curious because I know max you like didn't think that the connection between the two of them were like that strong, because talking about like this movie and what to me, what stands out in this movie, like their relation sorry, furiosa's relationship with what was the tom burke, tom burke like I thought that that relationship was like imperium jack right is that was a something maybe.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like I feel like that was most that relationship was, even almost 90 there. For me, like that, they were the core and then they're like fighting, it's like them against the world and that kind of had. But you were saying that wasn't like. You didn't really find him that dynamic yeah, I think.
Speaker 2:I think somewhere in the middle there, that's our boy.
Speaker 1:Fuck, that's fucking orson wells for m listen man.
Speaker 2:God bless him god bless him for mank and or and playing orson wells. He's fantastic in that. I I found him a little lackluster in this I don't know, I I just he didn't have he. He was obviously kind of kind of a stand-in for a mad max character, right, he looks very much like like Mel Gibson or Tom Hardy in those movies not so much Tom, but Mel, for sure he looks a lot like Mel Gibson yeah, I just I don't know, maybe I missed he gives her the sawed off shotgun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, great moment.
Speaker 2:I just, I just missed the whole. Like all of a sudden he entered and then they're in the truck and and then, and then we're putting our heads against each other, yeah, and I guess there's other stuff that happens throughout. But like I just thought again, I felt rushed.
Speaker 1:Here's another nitpick of mine when we're sewing, when he's sewing up Furiosa from like the arrow wound or whatever, and they're like in the Lion King cliffs or whatever. Like out in the lion king cliffs or whatever. Like out in the jungle, like in the air tonight's about to play. Like do these people not have homes?
Speaker 2:or like mud, mud huts or something like. Remember, she gets pulled into the tunnel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know but like these guys are, these guys are like high class in this society. Right, like they're war, they drive the war rigs yeah, yeah I don't know again. I there's, there's me more. But be careful. They just opened the door really wide on this. Part of me wants to see more. Part of me thinks they should have kept it a little more shut.
Speaker 1:I don't know. All right, so that is our discussion on Fury Road. Furiosa or Furiosa, excuse me, I think that maybe there's a discussion later on to have about maybe some of the other Mad Max films.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, we'll see, maybe like on a sequel kind of episode or a franchise ranking episode, because it would really be interesting to dive into more of the relationship between this film and some of the other films in that franchise. But we have something else really fun planned for you guys on the other side of this break, where we will bring our guests back in and celebrate max's birthday this episode is brought to you by the seattle film society.
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Speaker 1:All right, we're back and it's game time. We've assembled a little crew here today. So, max, the Chatter Network's finest, it's your birthday and you've relinquished it. You're really letting loose. You've relinquished responsibility, slash duties of the big board, but there's some, for the moment, some trustworthy hands here. Why don't you go around and introduce the people who have joined us here today to celebrate your birthday?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, uh, in our third chair, uh, over here in the third red chair we've got a good friend of the pod and fellow uh co-host, host chatter network patron well, I guess yeah, yeah patron. Sure, mr derek schneider from silver screams podcast hello, hello yeah, and then uh, on the ones and twos, and who kind of put this all together? Uh, today, as far as, like creating this game, we're going to be playing um, miss kaylee quinones.
Speaker 4:That's me, hey, so happy to be here, Really excited to celebrate Max with his top 10 letterboxed favorite movies Jeopardy we will be playing today. So that is what we're doing. I'm so excited. I'm just going to go straight into explaining how this game is going to play. So there is first of all a poster board to be observed that hopefully you guys will post on your Instagram because it's beautiful, yeah.
Speaker 1:It doesn't look like it took any time to make it all I know, Right.
Speaker 2:No time. I was not allowed to go into her office for about the past month Very, uh, very thrown together.
Speaker 3:Okay, guys, okay.
Speaker 4:I'm a little hurt right now To celebrate our good friend.
Speaker 3:So yeah, this okay, I'm a little hurt to celebrate our good friend.
Speaker 4:So yeah, this was really fun to put together. It's kind of was thinking of movies he loved. Tried to get some behind the scenes on here. One of my favorites is like children of men green screen shot. We've got um a few of these are hints for the kaylee category that we will not be playing with tonight tonight we'll not be doing the kaylee category because my partner must know all of my favorite movies and the movies I care about.
Speaker 4:Um. But um, we will be playing with six categories. We're going to do actors in the first column, we're doing um directors in the second column, we're doing scores and soundtracks in the third, we're doing general in the fourth and we're doing wild card in the fifth. So general and wild card are kind of intermixed, but just going to be those wild ones in the last um. But so we'll start with max because he's birthday guy. Birthday guy goes first.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, wow, wait a minute, I need to wait, there's buzzers yeah, I need to unpack a little here oh each question
Speaker 3:is worth points.
Speaker 4:I need to say happy birthday to max because this is the first time he and I have been in a studio together.
Speaker 2:That's very true In a long, long time.
Speaker 3:I've missed you so much.
Speaker 2:Yes, I've been listening to Silver Screams over there. My lawyers will be contacting you and Kristen. Yeah, I've been on a little hiatus from our show, Derek, and just due to school schedule, but I'm happy to say that I think I'll be back here within the week or so.
Speaker 3:I look forward to your return.
Speaker 4:Kristen, I can't speak for her, but yeah well you know, as a fan and Patreon member, I also look forward to Max's return to Silver Screams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know it's going to be a lot easier to save a sinking ship when you have three people in the boat shoveling out water.
Speaker 1:Derek, we've done a couple of. We've collaborated on a couple of Max's birthday celebration episodes. We did the ETI Silver Screams crossover pod two or three years ago now and that was something similar. Right, it was like a draft of max's favorite movies and the.
Speaker 1:It was the movie theater like max's movie weekend max's film fest I think it's basically what it boiled down to that was a lot of fun. It now we have this great tool of letterbox, though, and derek and I were chatting before all four of us got together today, and I said the one thing that I think is worth studying, which took a gander at, was Max's letterbox.
Speaker 3:And so I'm feeling a little bit more prepared now than I did maybe an hour ago, alex and I were channeling our best high schoolers cramming for a test that I didn't study for all week.
Speaker 1:I love it. Pop quiz, hot shot.
Speaker 3:We should have been paying attention in class to what we were going over, because all of this was going to be on the test.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, and on that note two things I just want to say. This is an educational practice the questions are hard you might not know some of the answers. I think that, like 100s and 200s, we might have some happy faces, but after the 100 and 200s you're not gonna know and it's gonna be sad and it goes from 100 to 600.
Speaker 1:In increments of 100.
Speaker 4:Right, so 100, 200, 300. Yeah, 400, 500, 600.
Speaker 1:So I mean a lot like how Jeopardy should be played out right when, like the $1,000 questions and, once you're in double Jeopardy, the $2,000 questions. Those are trickier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, it definitely should be, and it's going to be extremely embarrassing when I lose this.
Speaker 1:Just to reiterate, what are the five categories that we're playing with? There's four, four, five.
Speaker 4:So there's actors and actresses, directors, two scores, cinematography and then wild. I actually said it wrong before. So yes, actors and actresses, directors, scores, cinematography and then the wild card.
Speaker 1:Love it Wow.
Speaker 4:So those are the five categories we'll be playing with. And then the buzzers are out. There's buzzers to be buzzed. So it'll be one person's turn to choose the category and their number, and then everyone will buzz in if they know the answer. So then I'll read the answer out loud and then you all will have your moment to buzz.
Speaker 1:You'll read the question out, loud, right? I'll leave this.
Speaker 4:Yes question out loud and then if you whoever doesn't get it, then it goes into a second round, I guess with the buzzers right, where we'll do like, okay, one more time, if people want to, between the other two people who didn't get the buzzer or the first.
Speaker 1:So if you have control of the board. You have first dibs on giving the answer. No, Okay so once the question is asked, it's open season.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and then if it's incorrect. Someone else chooses could choose to buzz in Right, exactly, and if no one gets it.
Speaker 1:It goes back to the previous person who had control. Yep, All right regular Jeopardy we have to wait for the question to be finished. That's a great question. Finish asking the question, right, yeah, that sounds good Good call. Good roll.
Speaker 4:Appreciate Clabo on Jeopardy rules because I'm not a huge Jeopardy person.
Speaker 3:My in-laws are big Jeopardy fans, and so this entire past month has been Jeopardy Masters month.
Speaker 1:Oh, brother, I know.
Speaker 4:I am tuned in on Jeopardy. My grandma texted me today and was like I heard you're doing jeopardy with your partner. Um, I love jeopardy.
Speaker 1:and I was like, yeah, cool, grandma, thanks if you have an amazon alexa dot out there, ask it to play jeopardy. You can get five clues daily. I do it every single day. It's a ton of fun jeopardy is the best television game show of all time absolutely.
Speaker 2:That sounds amazing. Might be the best TV program of all time.
Speaker 1:Debatable. That's great, yeah, chatter Network TV pod coming soon, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So I get to choose first, huh.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Do you want to say anything else mushy about Max? We're done with Max.
Speaker 1:No, no time to tear him down. Time to tear him down Time to know more about his favorite movies than he does.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, okay, well, we're going to start out with cinematography for $400.
Speaker 1:All righty, love it, love it. Taking a chance, here we go. Give me one second Now. If this is a random-ass question that you immediately know, I'm calling collusion on the very first opportunity we do live together.
Speaker 4:It's okay.
Speaker 2:I have not to be honest. I have not seen any of the questions.
Speaker 1:You didn't even know about this episode happening until a couple of days ago, maybe Totally, really quick.
Speaker 3:One more time for those sitting adjacent to the board that didn't realize that the categories weren't written on there. What were they? Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4:I know I didn't get to finish.
Speaker 3:It's okay, actors, directors written on there. Uh, what were they?
Speaker 4:yes, absolutely I know I I didn't get a finish. Okay, um, actors, directors, scores, cinematography wild card and max just went. Cinematography 300 400 400 okay, cinematography 400 which film camera brand was used to film? There Will Be Blood Max. There's only a handful.
Speaker 2:I have a guess what is Ari?
Speaker 1:Oh no, You're getting soundboarded to hell.
Speaker 4:Oh no, how do I turn that off? There you go. This is my first time on the soundboard. One second.
Speaker 1:Now here's another very important question. I'm really one second Sorry.
Speaker 4:I'm so sorry, guys Charge All of them.
Speaker 2:Hit the blinking blue one.
Speaker 4:There you go.
Speaker 2:That's the one I'm trying to get Okay, it's middle bottom.
Speaker 1:It was very clearly communicated that it was a wrong answer.
Speaker 3:It was a wrong answer.
Speaker 1:Here's my question If we were playing Jeopardy now, Max should have negative 400.
Speaker 2:Oh Fuck.
Speaker 1:As the Trebek of this situation. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 4:No negatives, because I think it's going to be challenging.
Speaker 1:No negatives, no negatives. Just do only positives, let's do negatives.
Speaker 4:Okay, you want to make it fun. You want to just lose it? Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, I'll keep track of. I'm reading this book right now called the Anxious Generation. Kids don't know how to lose anymore.
Speaker 4:Yeah right, max is cruising for a bruising Okay here we go.
Speaker 1:There needs to be consequences out there.
Speaker 2:So I am at minus 400. Does anyone else want to buzz in?
Speaker 1:I'm not going to buzz in.
Speaker 3:Well, the question was what camera was? There will be blood shot on.
Speaker 4:Yes, it was.
Speaker 3:Max guessed Ari, probably the Ari Alexa.
Speaker 2:Are you buzzing? You got to buzz, you got to. Are you alexa? Uh, are you this?
Speaker 4:you gotta buzz, you gotta buzz, if you're gonna buzz I'm gonna, I'm gonna pass this one yeah okay, so then is that, may I tell you all the answer?
Speaker 3:yeah, we want to know this education.
Speaker 4:We were promised is panavision okay yeah panavision does really awesome rentals, cool. Um okay, so next goes to should we do clockwise?
Speaker 1:no, max is back in control of the board. No, no one got it yeah.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's how that works. Okay, cool.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that was a really tough question and we're going to go with actors for 100 now.
Speaker 4:Okay, I know the question for this which famous actress's first film was super bad, macaulay?
Speaker 1:I'm going with Emma Stone on this one.
Speaker 4:Correct and we macaulay, I'm going with emma stone on this one correct and we do have a bonus, so alex gets 100 points 100 more points for which other actress was considered for this role in super bad besides emma stone I, somewhere in my brain I know the answer to this oof but.
Speaker 1:I don't want to risk. So in a bonus situation is it 200?
Speaker 2:now do I lose?
Speaker 1:the 100, if I get it wrong, since it's 100.
Speaker 4:I love this journey together right now we're nothing without rules rules are what make us.
Speaker 1:I think it makes sense same rules with the bonuses when I hear it, I'm going to know it, but for now I'm going to lay off okay.
Speaker 4:Osberg go.
Speaker 2:When I hear it, I'm going to know it, but for now I'm going to lay off. Okay, osberg, go, was it? Who is Kate Mara?
Speaker 4:Wrong.
Speaker 1:Rather Minus 500.
Speaker 4:But it's possible we should look it up after because maybe she also was, but the famous one Jennifer Lawrence almost got cast for that movie, for that part.
Speaker 2:That was minus 500?.
Speaker 1:Well, you have a total of minus 500 now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:Okay, god damn it 34 years old, we're still teaching him math, it's okay.
Speaker 2:One day, one day.
Speaker 4:It shows your personality, ballsy guy over here.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's see I'm in control of this board here. Let's see what wild card's all about.
Speaker 4:We'll go wild card for 100. Okay, wild card for 100. Which icy location was the thing filmed in?
Speaker 1:I will go with, do I just so?
Speaker 4:like just a state. I'll go with state. Okay, I will go with, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll go with Alaska.
Speaker 4:Correct, derek. I feel like you were just far from your buzzer, though I feel like you were so close it was hard to watch.
Speaker 1:Great stories told on the director's commentary of that film of Kurt Russell and John Carpenter trying to convince the helicopter crew that was out there for them um during like a whiteout to go back into I believe it was juno to go on like a beer run. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure the way that it makes it sound on the dvd commentary is that the guys were like on mushrooms or something and they were out of beer um great story great great story.
Speaker 4:Well, and they tried to shoot it in california and then john carpenter was just like doesn't look cold, so we're not going to keep this footage and we're going to go to Alaska. Heck yeah, love John Carpenter.
Speaker 1:Okay, is it yours again? Okay, let's go over to Score for 100.
Speaker 4:Okay, score for 100. Who are David Fincher's recent collaborators for composing his scores? Max, what that was, alex.
Speaker 2:Come on, I love this reaction.
Speaker 4:Who would?
Speaker 1:be Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross.
Speaker 4:Correct. I feel like the buzzer share is hard over here, but we'll get there. You guys will get there, okay.
Speaker 1:So once again, inlex's control all right sidebar real quick on trent and atticus. Where where are we on this challenger score? Do we think it's getting nominated? I know we talked about it a couple episodes ago, but we have some more people here in studio with us. Yes, was it jarring? Was the music too jarring in the film?
Speaker 4:you loved it, we watched magnolia this week on 35 and there was actually some of that um like score being louder than the dialogue thing like you were talking about in challengers and so, yeah, like this it's, it's like a time. I think it's a timeless movies thing and I just love the way they used it in that movie and it's so fun to dance to yeah, enjoy also.
Speaker 2:I think atticus and and uh and trent are going to become like a Diane Warner or a John Williams. If they do a score, it's 90% sure they're going to get nominated.
Speaker 4:I think we're already in that territory, but there's so many other people of this time that are also doing that level of work, I feel like. But yes, they are awesome. This is true. We'll see as the category unfolds.
Speaker 1:The exciting thing is their collaborator on Soul, John Baptiste, is one of these people who I feel like that. We're going to look back at the win that they shared together, like two or three years ago or whenever. That was as like a monumental moment in the best original score category. Let's get like a stool or something for you guys to play and numbers should be rolling again.
Speaker 3:They are.
Speaker 4:Booyah. Thank you, okay, okay. So we're back to Alex doing the next category and amount.
Speaker 1:I also want to go back to that Emma stone question for a second, to super bads in your top 10, huh.
Speaker 2:It's in the top 100.
Speaker 1:I kind of stretched to 100.
Speaker 4:I wish I had the actual list pulled up right now.
Speaker 1:No, that's fine, that's fine, I was just like I was going to say Max, I love it Making a statement.
Speaker 4:Slash, just like movies I hear him talk about in my presence.
Speaker 2:Superbad is definitely one of the quotable ones.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think it's the only comedy in my top 50.
Speaker 2:It's one of the only comedies on my top 100, for sure.
Speaker 1:All right, let's go back to actors and let's do actors for 200. Oh, this is a fun one.
Speaker 4:Okay, who, and I think people are going to maybe know who almost played Josh Brolin's character in no Country for Old Men?
Speaker 1:Quiet 200 points.
Speaker 3:I'm not willing to risk it, but I think I know it oh man. You're the one with all the points here. Yeah, I'm going to stay where I'm at.
Speaker 2:I do not know the answer to this.
Speaker 4:We're all done, heath Ledger almost did audition for this role.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but.
Speaker 4:Josh. Brolin ended boland ended up, not who I was gonna say I'm glad, yeah, yeah, well nice, I love to see your, your wisdom to know not to go for it.
Speaker 1:We have a 300 point lead on derrick.
Speaker 3:So I'm at 800 point lead on max um so I'm not willing to risk that quite yet we will go over.
Speaker 1:let's crack directors. Let's go to directors for 100.
Speaker 4:Okay, this is also a hard one for 100 actually, so I'm sorry for that? Which director did Coppola try to get for Godfather Part 2? He did not want to direct Godfather Part 2. He wanted this other director too, but the studios rejected it.
Speaker 2:Who is Martin Scorsese? Correct studios rejected it. Who is martin scorsese? Correct oh nice good job max down to negative 400 yeah um 300, was that 200?
Speaker 1:directors 200? That was 100, that was 100. Yes, yes, yes okay directors 100 okay uh, let's keep it going.
Speaker 4:Directors 200 please 200, please Okay this. Okay. Which of the greatest films of all time did a legendary? I worded this I had it worded somewhere else better Okay. Which film did Steven Spielberg get a live commentary of with this famous director? Famous film? He actually got to sit with this director and the director gave Steven Spielberg a live commentary of it. What movie was it that he got to sit with this director and the director?
Speaker 3:gave steven spielberg a live commentary of it. What movie was it that he got to see?
Speaker 2:there's it's on the board. It's a picture that's not in max's top 100. Uh, okay, so steven spielberg went on this director's commentary.
Speaker 4:No, no he just it's like one of his big influences that this director sat down with him and watched this movie with him and was like this is what we did.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 4:So it's someone older than him. It's someone older than Spielberg.
Speaker 2:Well, okay. Well then you got to think of like oh, Macaulay's going for it.
Speaker 1:Is it John Ford?
Speaker 4:No, dang it. Is it John Ford? No, dang it, I'm sorry, one second.
Speaker 2:No, not that one. Which one's the H? No like for us that's a happy one.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's the correct response.
Speaker 2:Thank you, derek, exactly, that was for you, okay.
Speaker 4:Gosh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:I don't know so I can't steal. Derek, do you know?
Speaker 4:No knowing. It is Lawrence of Arabia with David.
Speaker 1:Lean, david Lean Interesting.
Speaker 4:Influential one. I put it on the board a few times. It's down there. I guess that's it mainly down there. Whose turn is it to do the I believe I still have control.
Speaker 2:I will go wild card for 200.
Speaker 4:Okay, I think you might card for 200. Okay, I think you might be able to figure this one out, maybe. Which Humphrey Bogart film did PTA watch every night while writing? There Will Be Blood. To me this is weirdly obvious If you've seen yes, Max.
Speaker 2:Treasure of Sierra Madre. Yes, madre, is it Madre? Yeah, madre, madre, yes, obvious if you've seen, yes, max treasure, treasure of sierra madre yes madre, is it madre?
Speaker 4:yeah, madre, madre, yes, treasure of the sierra madre, yes, yes, that is correct, good job.
Speaker 2:Max, that is 200 points uh-oh, here I come, here I come, I'm sniffing zero.
Speaker 3:This is the point in the podcast where I regret coming here because this is where I start to remember that Max has seen way more films than I have.
Speaker 4:It's really just about reading the INDB trivia though it's really all.
Speaker 1:It is what you know from Silver Screams.
Speaker 4:That's his special talent is reading the INDB trivia.
Speaker 2:Usually I do it during the show Right exactly, exactly. Okay, let's see, I suppose let's try.
Speaker 4:let's try wild card for 300 okay, oh, this is a fun one also. I think no one will know, I'm sad to say. Okay, um, alien borrowed blue laser lights for the alien ship's egg chamber from which famous rock band? So there's a famous rock band that was on tour and lent the stage lights to Ridley Scott and his crew.
Speaker 1:Wow, I also feel like I know this one.
Speaker 2:What a very cool piece of trivia.
Speaker 4:Try to keep it fun, even if I knew you guys would be clueless.
Speaker 3:I gotta chime in with something here. I'm gonna say Kiss.
Speaker 4:Ooh, that's such an interesting guess, but no, it is wrong.
Speaker 2:Bottom middle.
Speaker 3:In my heart. I got the horn.
Speaker 1:I know what you're saying there we go 300's a lot to risk for this when you don't know it. Yeah, true Kiss was a good guess.
Speaker 2:I have a guess, but I don't want to risk it.
Speaker 1:Let's say the category is over Before she says what would your guess be? Mine would have been Queen. Mine would have been Pink Floyd.
Speaker 4:Pink Floyd's closer, it's the who.
Speaker 2:The who, okay, yeah but both you're wrong.
Speaker 4:The who.
Speaker 1:You think Ridley's a big who fan. I don't know if Ridley listens to music. Yeah, right Is that kind of genius it's possible, um, okay nice try everybody um, so now it's me still right yeah, that was 300 negative 300, cool yeah derek, thank you for participating.
Speaker 4:I appreciate you. I did my part, yes.
Speaker 2:Let's go. Where are the actors at?
Speaker 1:We've done one and two.
Speaker 2:One and two, let's go. Actors 300.
Speaker 4:This is a fun one. I have so much faith in you guys, but you guys have been letting me down a little. I think you could know this one Per Ed Norton's usual high-maintenance behavior.
Speaker 1:he refused to do what in rounders, hmm?
Speaker 2:This is one you should know, Max.
Speaker 4:Did he refuse to be killed? No, no, that kind of makes me laugh, like, how would you, as an actor, be? Like my character can't get killed.
Speaker 2:Well, he is the guy to do that.
Speaker 4:Do that no, he actually refused to smoke. They're like, they're poker players. They're smoking in las vegas and he said I'm a health nut, I don't smoke right.
Speaker 2:That's why he throws all the cigarettes out yeah, in jail.
Speaker 4:Exactly what a good, what a good little bit wow rewrite red. We got to do them.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm back to my home at negative 500.
Speaker 1:I think just negative 400, because you were at negative one, right? No, I was at negative two, okay, okay but you're a brave soul, baby.
Speaker 4:Okay, and somehow.
Speaker 2:I still control the board.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't understand this part of it, but whatever, birthday guy.
Speaker 2:Cinematography for 100.
Speaker 4:This is the hardest category, for sure. Oh, but I think you know this because I think I yeah. Okay, what camera tool did Vashi Nedimansky use to create the strong depth of field in Blowout? I feel like you told me this and that's why I put it on here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Could you One more? Could you reread the?
Speaker 4:question. So there's a cinematography tool used to the. The cinematographer is Vashi Domanansky D Nidomansky. He used this tool to create strong depth of field and blow out.
Speaker 1:Is it the split diopter?
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 1:Good job, alex. I wasn't sure if that was a tool or like a technique, right, so we just went for it. Yeah, it's a glass.
Speaker 4:Yes, it splits this yep, it splits the lens and yeah, it's a tool.
Speaker 1:I thought you knew I wrote that one for you guess who showed him blowout it all makes sense. Now all comes together okay, so I'm back in control. I love scores. Let's keep going with scores here. So scores for 200 scores for 200.
Speaker 4:Oh so you guys talking about Queen earlier. Which Queen song plays in Shaun of the Dead? That is credited with Queen's resurgence go.
Speaker 3:Derek dang it. No, I didn't wait for the question to be finished.
Speaker 4:You shall be punished. No, it's fine, go ahead.
Speaker 3:What is? Don't Stop Me Now. Yes, Nice.
Speaker 4:I wish we could play it Max. Play, Don't.
Speaker 1:Stop Me Now on the track what was that one for Derek gets that for 200.
Speaker 3:200, so I'm minus 100 now.
Speaker 4:Nice. So we got minus 100, derek minus 500 max.
Speaker 1:Yep Plus two, Plus two nice.
Speaker 4:Okay, cool.
Speaker 1:And Derek's in control.
Speaker 3:Oh, plus two, Nice, okay, cool, and Derek's in control. Oh yeah, okay, let's go with scores for 300.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, this is cool, okay, so which composer worked on? No Country for Old Men, even though it is mostly silent.
Speaker 1:Oh, we were just talking about this. That's a tap for Max.
Speaker 4:Press it again, though. So we hear it, there we go.
Speaker 1:And now you're locked into an answer.
Speaker 2:Which is stupid, because my brain heard there will be blood, but she said no Country for Old Men.
Speaker 4:Oh, that makes sense, though that actually makes a lot of sense for that to happen, just say a random radio head band member.
Speaker 1:Maybe you'll get it I don't suggest that um, okay, so a composer that worked.
Speaker 2:Uh, I'm just gonna pull this out of thin air because I know it's probably wrong, but I'm going to say someone who maybe isn't okay Howard Shore no. I like the pull though interesting.
Speaker 4:So it's Carter Burwell. Sorry, I guess I just didn't think anybody knew. Did you know, alex? No, I didn't know that so I just remember leaning over to you because we went and saw no Country for Old Men recently and I leaned over and I was like oh, it's a cool car to roll, let's just drive.
Speaker 1:Because he also did Drive, he also did.
Speaker 4:Anomalies. He's done a lot of cool ones, but you didn't listen to me, not me. No, surprise, no, I'm kidding, nice Surprise. No, I'm kidding Nice. Try though, babe. Okay, so next.
Speaker 3:It's back to Derek.
Speaker 4:Back to Derek.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, let's go with. Where are we at? On cinematography, what's the next one up? One and four have been taken. One and four have been taken. Okay, let's go. Cinematography for 200.
Speaker 4:Oh, this is a fun one, this is an easy one. Everyone get their hands ready, hands right which which recent film used vintage ussr lenses supplied by iron glass ussr lenses. I read this so much on instagram recently. So soviet lenses, vintage soviet lenses. Obviously y'all know what ussr means, but just in case just go derek what is the zone of interest? Oh, it is actually dune two, okay, dune two.
Speaker 1:Civil war was on the tip of my tongue, so I'm glad I didn't say I wonder if other films did, though there's a few of these I want to go like.
Speaker 4:I was thinking there would be a few that I'd want to like research after of like.
Speaker 2:I wonder if there are other films that have done that I almost went with Oppenheimer, but then I remembered they built their own cameras.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:They invented cameras actually. Yes, for that movie, christopher Nolan personally drew up the blueprints to invent cameras.
Speaker 1:Guess what, as I was doing a little research for this episode, you got Interstellar in your top 15.
Speaker 2:I do love Interstellar. It makes me cry every single time if I need a cry.
Speaker 1:I just I knew you loved it and I know the bit is like every time you watch a c and a cn movie you're like maybe this is the best bad guy chris movie ever but no, you have your bad guy chris movie.
Speaker 2:It is interstellar. I think that is my favorite of his his film, clearly. Yeah, one of your favorite movies ever. Yeah, yeah, it really is. I'm with you, I'm so with you.
Speaker 4:that is my favorite of his films. Clearly it's one of your favorite movies ever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:It really is. I'm with you, I'm so with you. That's my favorite too, one of my favorites. And also we just love to cry to movies together.
Speaker 1:And that movie is a good one.
Speaker 4:Good crying one. Okay, so back to Back to me Cinematography 300. Let's see if.
Speaker 1:Pull myself out of the hole. Go big or go home.
Speaker 4:Okay, what is my? Oh, this is kind of tied to another one which film used intense blue lights used on airport runways for its exterior shots?
Speaker 1:This is one of Max's favorites Intense blue lights.
Speaker 4:Airport runways exterior shots.
Speaker 1:You're asking for the film.
Speaker 4:Yep which film?
Speaker 2:for the film yep, which film uh exterior shots, used blue airport runway lights, airport runway lights and it made the movie look blue not the whole movie.
Speaker 4:Just like some of these exteriors, I feel like I can kind of picture it like it's a movie with really epic exteriors, but it's not in all. It's mostly an interior movie, I would say, but there are some epic exteriors and also yeah, I don't know anything else to say no other, yeah, no other go is it alien no, I was thinking about you related to, but it's not alien, but also a creature Damn.
Speaker 1:Well, these guys don't get creature toys. Now I know.
Speaker 4:That's not fair. I was hoping nobody heard me.
Speaker 2:I mean it's yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4:Okay, the answer is the Thing.
Speaker 3:The.
Speaker 1:Thing had the airport runway Out of the top 10.
Speaker 4:10 the creature film left I hope everybody's feeling good, feeling educated by this session. Nobody's feeling angry or sad no, no.
Speaker 1:I feel like I'm just yeah, we're right there. We're right there, guessing like the last. We're like we're flipping coins on some of these and just coming up because it was either going to be the thing or alien on that one, I'm like yeah okay, we're're rocking in and rolling, let's go uh. Cinematography 500 okay, escalate, yes, okay this is another hard one, sorry okay, which film they?
Speaker 4:all are hard, they're all hard I'm sorry, I just I want. This is like what I found, though, and also I just like everything. I pretty much did it based on what I thought was interesting. I was like, if I find this interesting, I'm going to put it in. Okay, which film lenses were used for the Lord of the Rings trilogy? The original one. Original trilogy.
Speaker 3:Repeat the question, sorry Film lenses?
Speaker 4:Which film lenses were used for the original Lord of the Rings trilogy?
Speaker 2:Lenses Like the actual lens.
Speaker 1:Lens brand.
Speaker 2:Lens brand yeah you can't just say like the glass kind yeah right Glass With an aperture.
Speaker 4:Golly, I mean there's only a few really big ones, max.
Speaker 2:Take a shot.
Speaker 1:No, take a shot, I'm taking a shot If I get this, then I get to zero, you get to negative 300. Aren't I at negative 500? No, because you got scores wrong for 300. Okay, you're right.
Speaker 2:Okay, here we go. What is Panasonic?
Speaker 4:No. I'm sorry, max Brother. So unfortunately the answer is Zeiss Z-E-I-S-S.
Speaker 1:Familiar with that brand, Derek.
Speaker 3:I'm familiar with it. I was going through the big because I've attended the NAB show a few times, so I'm familiar with the big cinema lenses, like Zeiss Cook those ones. Yeah, but I Zeiss Cook those ones. Yeah, but I was like I don't know, I'm not confident enough to chime in with one of those.
Speaker 4:Especially for Lord of the Rings. I feel like Zeiss gets used quite a bit, and so, yeah, I actually was kind of surprised that it was used on that one.
Speaker 2:Can't say I'm a gearhead, but we're here to learn.
Speaker 4:Also that film I'm not going to do the bonus because I know you guys don't know it also was filmed on an Ari.
Speaker 2:It was filmed on an Ari, which was your guess on the last one.
Speaker 3:There you go, cinematography 6.
Speaker 4:Okay, what is the lighting technique called used in the Godfather to emphasize the dark, dangerous world of the Mafia.
Speaker 2:Lighting technique used in the godfather to emphasize the dark, dangerous world of the mafia lighting technique. What's fucked up is that I was in cinematography class this past quarter and I know we went over this. I know because it was the first time that was ever really done with this lighting technique and it creates. I know what it does. Let's hear it.
Speaker 3:Let's hear it. It's your birthday. Let's hear it Describe this interesting light.
Speaker 2:It creates like a raccoon eye and kind of shadows the face and it's called a Rembrandt no it's called low key lighting.
Speaker 4:Much simpler Low key lighting is what it's called. That's what the cinematographers called it. That's what it's called. It's very simple. I meant to tell you. It's really simple, but nice try. Okay, so that does it for cinematography, cinemat. It's really simple, but nice try.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that does it for cinematography.
Speaker 4:Cinematography's done, a brutal category.
Speaker 3:A brutal. It is the most brutal category One out of six correct there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Across the board.
Speaker 3:I like it, though, learned a lot when we at in actors.
Speaker 1:You got four, five and six. Let's go actors for four Actors for four.
Speaker 4:Okay, this is a fun one. Okay, which Coppola role did Al Pacino decline?
Speaker 2:This would have been After Godfather, I believe I'm bad at timelines, but, max, was it Captain Willard in Apocalypse?
Speaker 1:Now yes, Nice Paul Go.
Speaker 4:Max.
Speaker 2:I love that. What was that worth?
Speaker 4:400.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I'm what. Negative 1400? Negative 1500, I think 1500.
Speaker 4:Sweet.
Speaker 2:Negative 1500.
Speaker 4:Negative 1500.
Speaker 2:We're climbing back. We're climbing back, let's go.
Speaker 4:We believe in Max.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's go. Let's keep it going with actors. Next one.
Speaker 4:Okay, what activity did several actors working on Lord of the Rings take up while working in New Zealand?
Speaker 3:Derek, what is archery?
Speaker 2:Uh, max, what is horseback?
Speaker 1:riding. Nope, oh boy, you guys both just tanked 500. The smart thing to do is to keep my mouth shut.
Speaker 4:You're gonna leave it on the board.
Speaker 1:The other thing to do would be guess. No, I won't have you repeat it, because it wouldn't be fair to me.
Speaker 4:No, it's fine. What activity did they pick up in New Zealand?
Speaker 2:I know it now. It's so clear. It's so clear to me now.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pass. I'm going to pass. You can tell us? Is it a sport? It is a sport rugby no I think I'm pretty sure it's cricket none of the above surfing oh, okay, okay la kind of guys.
Speaker 4:This is so funny. I love these guesses, though horseback riding what you think.
Speaker 2:You know. Vigo archery was a good one archery per lord of the rings.
Speaker 4:I feel like it makes sense of, like that's what we're doing I feel like they're already doing it, right. Yeah, yeah okay okay, fun, that was a fun one. Okay, um, who's?
Speaker 1:max is in control okay, uh, actors again.
Speaker 2:For what is that 600?
Speaker 1:Clear it out.
Speaker 4:Maybe just take your time with the buzzing this time. Maybe just just ask your partner I gotta give us a question here. During the filming of which film did Brad Pitt break his arm?
Speaker 1:That being Glorious Bastards.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 2:No, what is Mr and Mrs Smith? Oh my God. Okay, I'm sorry guys.
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry, damn it, damn it, damn it, damn it. I actually know what it is if Derek doesn't say Derek doesn't have it, derek's not putting it Okay, are we ready for a reveal? Yeah, isn't it seven, but it's his hand right. It. It is seven. Did I mess it up? It's my fault.
Speaker 3:It's fine.
Speaker 4:So maybe nobody was going to ask Because he has it wrapped.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's in that scene where they're in the hallway and he like punches through the window. Yeah, I don't know why the fuck it.
Speaker 4:I guess we're just thinking I got to stop thinking of top tens, because it's actually like your top hundred, true, I had to like switch it up, you're that's my bad I I knew that I knew that and then just thought it's got to be inglorious, but no okay, here we go um. I am okay. I'm not going to start googling that now but I am curious if it was his hand I believe
Speaker 1:you though.
Speaker 4:Okay, so now we are through actors and actors, actresses. Yep, okay, we, if we're going down the board, we're on directors 300 let's, let's, fire it off. Okay, which famous director's sister wrote the Tom Hanks classic Big?
Speaker 1:Which famous director's sister wrote Big.
Speaker 2:I do know this one.
Speaker 4:Penny Marshall. Is that right? Who's sister?
Speaker 2:Gary Marshall's sister.
Speaker 4:No, you're wrong, I'm not touching this one. Yeah, also, that wouldn't even be on your list, like they are supposed to be related to people you love or movies you love. Well, but big, this is a question about big I know, but the director, who's sister, is someone that you really like let's hear it okay it's Spielberg. Ann Spielberg wrote.
Speaker 2:Ann Spielberg wrote big didn't even know Uncle Steve had a sister. Didn't know I had an aunt.
Speaker 4:How much does he bring him up on this podcast? On this motherfucking podcast? How much does he bring up Steve?
Speaker 1:Spielberg a lot. I question it every time okay, great. God bless the Spielbergs yeah, exactly, alright, so we got director score and wild card all 400 through 600 Tight race here between Derek and I Negative 700 and negative 800.
Speaker 2:I'm just trying to get these guys to come down to my level. Does Jeopardy?
Speaker 4:ever go like this, though, where people are just in the If you're in the red, going into double Jeopardy you're out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, okay, thankfully for us, there's one round, okay, so Cin one round.
Speaker 2:Good, good, okay. So cinematography is out, actors and actresses are out. Let's go, let's switch it up, let's go to score for whatever is next.
Speaker 4:Okay, we're on to scores for 400. This is a fun one. This is one of my favorites. Which modern film did some of Ennio Morricone's first score attempt for the Thing end up getting used for?
Speaker 2:The Hateful Eight yes.
Speaker 4:Oh yes, good job, max, that was fun. That was 400? Yep, 400.
Speaker 2:Wow, what a swing Negative 2300. No, you were at negative 23.
Speaker 1:Now you're at negative 19. Oh, thank God, I got you over here, thank God.
Speaker 2:You're so sweet Alex, I love that.
Speaker 4:Carotid, let's go wild.
Speaker 1:You've picked up two 400 questions. Yeah, you know, you've also lost a 500, a 600.
Speaker 3:You miss all the shots.
Speaker 2:you never take Something like that let's go wild card for the next one okay, wild card every now and then.
Speaker 1:Do you think that you ever catch yourself just like kind of being a psychopath where, like I'm over here writing down the number four and on half my fours I have the closed top and then on others I have the open top floor? Why do I then? On others I have the open top for yeah.
Speaker 4:Why do I do that? I feel weird about it too. I actually do also feel weird about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm always an open. I'm an open man.
Speaker 4:The clothes I like, I just don't always have them.
Speaker 1:You ever watch like Criminal Minds?
Speaker 4:Yes, and they're always they got the handwriting and tell me what it means about me. I think it just means you're a little neurotic in the same word.
Speaker 1:If it has two a's, sometimes it'll be a closed a and other times it's like an open a and the same word?
Speaker 3:I don't know that's really interesting yeah, it's concerning, I think okay, anyways, variety is the spice of life, man.
Speaker 4:I love that. Okay. Next question is Wildcard for 400. What? Surprising rubber object was used to create the tendons of the beast's ferocious jaws in Alien. What rubber objects? Yeah, condoms, yes, yeah, I was like surprising. Also KY Jelly, all kinds of fun stuff, so good Okay.
Speaker 1:Surprising, I'm back to negative three, nice, nice.
Speaker 4:I think we all know Alex is going to win.
Speaker 1:I think that if there is a winner, there's such a thing. If there's another juicy 600 one, I'm going to go for it. I there's another juicy 600 one, I'm going to go for it. I should have had that pit one. That's on me. Okay, I will go to. I'm liking the wild card category. We've had good success. We're three out of four as a team on wild card so let's keep wild card going for 500.
Speaker 4:Okay, this one's really really hard. I know they all are hard, but this one's really ridiculously hard. Okay are hard, but this one's really ridiculously hard. Okay, what? What was the first known film to use a sample from freesoundorg and credit it?
Speaker 2:whoa what?
Speaker 4:this, I'm pretty sure, is top 10, actually top 10, I think actually top 10 I think, or it's on, let's see.
Speaker 1:It's on the one of max's favorite movies is one of the first films to use a sound sample or like a music sample.
Speaker 4:Just something Free, soundorg, which is like a free Free soundorg. Which is like when I do teach kids filmmaking. We let them use free soundorg. It's literally like free sound.
Speaker 1:It's got to be in the age of the internet. Yeah right, so you can boil it down. Did boil it down to become a thing?
Speaker 2:yeah when, when did it become?
Speaker 3:yeah, like accessible were you able to download, but like you can already take off I mean, we're all kind of working together as a team here. But like you can take off, alien you can take off some of those older films, the godfather, all those movies but it's like, would somebody like Tarantino actually do something like that? Like for Inglourious Atticus and Trent didn't do it for Social Network.
Speaker 2:They wouldn't be doing something like that. No, fincher would not allow that. I think Rounders is too old right?
Speaker 4:I think so too.
Speaker 3:Well, okay, I can't say, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Okay, misanswers I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I didn't mean to. I said nothing, I don't know, bro, I'm gonna take a swing here. Shaun of the Dead, dang it.
Speaker 4:That was for what yeah, it is big old baby 500.
Speaker 1:I like the thought process, though I also like the distance she just created between you and I.
Speaker 2:Somebody had to step on that landmine, yeah.
Speaker 1:My guess is I mean, are we done?
Speaker 4:We're done with this. We're done. We don't know it. We don't know it. My guess would be.
Speaker 2:It's one of your neo-modern westerns that you love so much, but I don't know which one.
Speaker 1:Again kind of coin flip. I don't want to get it wrong probably it's probably there will be blood no, ready you ready um children of men, oh, oh, number 14 number 14.
Speaker 4:It's close. I knew it was up there, but children of men I was thinking, maybe that there will be blood or no country for all men just like some random, you know, like tumbleweed going or something, grab yeah.
Speaker 2:What was the sound clip?
Speaker 4:I don't know the answer to that, but it's Corazon, right, that's who directed that Caron, yeah, alfonso, caron yeah. Okay, next.
Speaker 2:What is this, alex?
Speaker 1:Let's go back over to Directors and we'll go Directors for 400. Okay, See if we can snag this and get back into the green I love using an ipad.
Speaker 4:Okay, here we go. So directors, for what? 400 please okay, no problem. Okay, the last. This is a fun one, okay, but also hard, as I've saying the last shot of which film was directed by the screenwriter. It has a hint included in the question.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 4:The screenwriter also has a cameo in the film.
Speaker 1:Which film? Which film? Which film's last shot was directed by the screenwriter?
Speaker 2:Of the film, who also has a cameo in the film.
Speaker 4:Yeah, baby.
Speaker 1:Can't wait to hear.
Speaker 4:The story is. I'm not going to say who it is, but essentially the director. The actual director just had to go out and run an errand or was just tired and was like you just do it. All you're doing is just saying action.
Speaker 1:This is like some Clint Eastwood drama on Dirty Harry or something. I mean I have Some Spielberg on Poltergeist.
Speaker 4:Yeah right, this also is actually a top 10.
Speaker 2:Oh, it actually is a top 10.
Speaker 4:I'm pretty sure, I don't know, is it?
Speaker 1:cheating if I say Quentin he is the screenwriter Right?
Speaker 4:No I don't know we got a really hard Quentin one coming up yeah.
Speaker 1:I think we've had enough time.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't know, we give up. The answer is Aaron Sorkin in Social Network.
Speaker 2:Oh, cool, See I. Oh, that's really cool.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah, great, he directed the Last.
Speaker 1:Shot and he does. He's one of the guys that they try to pitch Facebook to yeah, when they're doing that whole pitch montage yes, exactly. Okay.
Speaker 4:Nice Oof. Is it back to you still, because nobody got it.
Speaker 1:Somewhere there's a world that exists, where one of us got that. That was a good question.
Speaker 4:That was a good one.
Speaker 1:Okay, we, that was a good one. Okay, we'll go back to scores for 500.
Speaker 4:Okay, scores 500. Only five questions left here we're getting through them. Okay, this is one from my heart, because I just really love this genre and I love this movie. It is on Max's top 100, though not top 10. In the Sandlot, which American doo-wop and R&B soul group plays, every time Wendy Peppercorn enters.
Speaker 3:This is one of my favorite movies too, and now I'm like American doo-wop group.
Speaker 2:Doo-wop, woo-wee.
Speaker 1:I have a shallow pool of knowledge when it comes to this, when it comes to baseball, when it comes to this kind of music, so I'm I'm totally out on this.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's Max having a seizure over there. Is it the Mills brothers?
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 4:Sorry to say. Do we have any other guesses? I'm guessing, I'm feeling a no.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 4:The answer is the Drifters oh wow. I wish we could play them. We should play the song. There's a song that's really beautiful that they play. It's a Winnie the Pooh song.
Speaker 1:But anyway it's awesome okay a couple left here, we'll go. Let's close out.
Speaker 4:Wild card for 600 okay, oh, this is fun also. I think Max could get this one you keep saying this is fun.
Speaker 3:I don't think it is fun.
Speaker 4:I'm waiting with bated breath on every question, because there is. I mean, you keep saying this is fun.
Speaker 1:I don't think you're kidding, it is fun. I'm waiting with bated breath on every question, because there is.
Speaker 4:I mean, I find it very entertaining.
Speaker 1:personally, I love trivia I love trivia.
Speaker 4:Yes, totally, we should do more trivia, okay which 1930s character was one of the core inspirations for there Will Be Blood's, daniel Plainview.
Speaker 1:Which 1930s character.
Speaker 2:Hmm, character. Okay when you say character real person. No.
Speaker 4:Not necessarily. It's one of the big. What did that studio call it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I got a big enough lead here. I think I might just take a stab at it. But no pun intended to by saying that. Yeah, fuck.
Speaker 4:I wish I had a better explanation for this one, because I did read a lot about how it shows in the character I was watching this video essay about it, but I don't really remember.
Speaker 3:What was the movie again?
Speaker 4:Sorry, there Will Be Blood.
Speaker 3:Daniel.
Speaker 4:Plainview Daniel.
Speaker 1:Plainview, 1930s character Fuck man. We're here to have fun. Let's go, Alex Is it Dracula it is, I knew it Wow.
Speaker 4:I love that Great work. I didn't know that I'm proud of you.
Speaker 3:Part of me was leaning Frankenstein, yeah.
Speaker 1:Interesting. I've definitely read that somewhere at some point yeah. Much like a lot of these. It's so, like you know. Factoid number 87 on the. Imdb page. But I love that. I love that you scoured the internet to find these.
Speaker 2:What was some of the reasoning? I the internet to find these. What was some of the reasoning?
Speaker 4:I think it's just.
Speaker 2:Because he lurks around, yeah.
Speaker 4:If you rewatch it, he actually never goes outside. Yeah, I think just the evil and I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you later he sucks the oil out of the earth.
Speaker 4:Yes, Next category, next category, next thing All right.
Speaker 1:Three categories left here. Let's close out. Scores for 600.
Speaker 4:Okie dokie. One, two, three, four, Okay Scores for 600. This one, I'm going to stop saying that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wait is it fun, but hard.
Speaker 4:wait is it fun but hard, fun but hard you know, maybe, maybe, so okay, which famous modern composer is han zimmer's favorite composer? Come on, come on, I was trying to get you I know, because I want to stay in the green.
Speaker 3:I want this to end with.
Speaker 1:I want to end with a positive score, but I'm pretty sure that gosh. I don't know this. If it's this easy, there's no way this can be a 600 question. I don't know yeah, right, you know easy I didn't go for it max john williams oh, thank god, I think that's what I was thinking so funny.
Speaker 4:Modern like modern is what I.
Speaker 2:Like younger than Hans.
Speaker 3:Yes, oh, ludwig, ludwig, you know what I'm swinging for the fences here. Disaster piece.
Speaker 4:No. Dude shout out to disaster piece, though.
Speaker 1:Yes, Is it Hulkenborg? I didn't buzz in, but I think this one's just over.
Speaker 2:Or is it like?
Speaker 1:what.
Speaker 4:Goran said Johnny Greenwood.
Speaker 1:Oh, there he is, ron.
Speaker 4:Zimmer is a huge Johnny Greenwood guy.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Wish we had more Johnny Greenwood in the movies. Did you officially buzz in on that one? I did yes, you did okay.
Speaker 3:That was scores for six right Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Okay, we have two more here to close it out both. We have two more here to close it out both under directors. So let's go.
Speaker 4:Director five All right, this one is what are two films John Carpenter turned down the opportunity to direct. I think there's more than the two that I wrote down, so I can't have some flexibility if you randomly know this about him.
Speaker 2:Is it like a year that he did this?
Speaker 1:Do you have two films? I have two written down.
Speaker 4:Two films that were offered to John Carpenter and he said no, and they're big. They're two pretty big ones. One of them is bigger than the other, but they're both quite big.
Speaker 2:Interesting. I know a Carpenter movie that didn't get off the ground in the 90s. That would have been really cool.
Speaker 4:Well, do tell.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean Creature from the Black Lagoon.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I was one that he got pretty far in pre-production with and then it got trashed. But I don't know, I actually don't know anything that he's famously turned down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I'm not buzzing in with this, but I feel like everyone was offered Star Wars at some point.
Speaker 2:Right. Return of the Jedi?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know, everyone was offered that and then, I don't know, maybe like spitballing here Back to the future. I was thinking like Dune the.
Speaker 4:The Lynch Dune or something. I wouldn't be surprised if his name's on a long list there. Okay, you ready for the answer? Yeah, top Gun is one of them, really weird that he was offered that and the other ones to me kind of make sense and would have been fun if he did Zombieland, oh, he got offered Zombieland, the new Zombieland Wow.
Speaker 1:The new Zombieland.
Speaker 2:Wow, that would have been interesting.
Speaker 4:I can totally picture that in a way. But, it would be different. That movie is still its own thing.
Speaker 2:And he doesn't direct anymore. He just plays video games and talks shit about other directors no man.
Speaker 1:He got like a 45-minute standing O at Cannes.
Speaker 2:Wait, who are we talking about?
Speaker 1:Cronenberg no, no, no, carpenter, oh Car about cronenberg no, no, no, no. Carpenter, oh carpenter I think I was reading in my mind that question through a carpenter or a cronenberg lens the entire time the shrouds, though the shrouds did just get a huge ovation, as does everything as does everything I'm excited was it longer than furiosa or shorter? I don know Megapolis is the benchmark.
Speaker 2:The 14 minute ovation. Okay, All right last one.
Speaker 1:We're closing it out with Director for Six.
Speaker 4:Director for Six. Okay, this is, I have to fight myself. I have such a problem.
Speaker 2:This is fun, but hard.
Speaker 4:This game is fun but hard, if you all forgot.
Speaker 2:What if Alex Trebek back god rest his soul actually said that, like before every question, well, this one's really fun, but it's very hard so every time, ken, I think you might know it, though every time kaylee gets on a, podcast.
Speaker 3:Now it has. She has to be introduced as kaylee. Fun but hard okay.
Speaker 4:So this question, um which I know none of you know the answer to, what is the title of the first screenplay tarantino wrote at 12 years old. What?
Speaker 1:is the title, my gosh what is the title?
Speaker 4:blood time I love this guess.
Speaker 2:Excellent guess no, my dog skip alex, you're gonna oh, I'm saying okay the answer is captain peach.
Speaker 4:The captain peach fuzz and the anchovy bandit that's close maybe that'll be his 10th and final film, Gosh maybe.
Speaker 3:Maybe, maybe.
Speaker 1:We already have a Peach Fuzz in our life, though Creep the wolf mask.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's.
Speaker 4:Peach Fuzz.
Speaker 1:That's very true.
Speaker 4:All right, I think that's our board y'all. Great, Terrible job it's. That's our board y'all.
Speaker 3:Great, Terrible job, but you know it's okay, terrible job, but I let's debrief.
Speaker 2:We're in the locker room.
Speaker 1:How do we feel?
Speaker 2:That was extremely hard.
Speaker 1:That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:A ton of fun. So much work. Thank you so much, Kaylee. Yeah to go do all that research. And wow, there are some.
Speaker 1:Uh, I, I didn't know my my top 100 as as well as I thought I did I really liked I I liked the um like film adjacent part of it right like some of the questions about family members some of the different aspects of like yeah, exactly some of the different aspects behind like your favorite movies, not just like what happens on screen, but like now we know a little bit more about how they got made right, why they got made um, so that that was all really really fun, um, great stuff that's good.
Speaker 4:I love good behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:Behind the scenes, my fave derrick any inspiration you're about to pull from silver screams uh, I feel a lot better about myself than I thought I was going to you beat max I beat max.
Speaker 2:I took a few wild swings just I hope the listeners beat max, yeah someone out.
Speaker 1:There is like plus 1700 right now or whatever, and it's like take the mics away from I know right, get these guys off my airwaves, okay, so that's going to do it for us this week. We want to thank Kaylee for organizing today's festivities and bringing Max's birthday game to life.
Speaker 4:No problem. I love this podcast so much. I'm so happy I got to come on and infiltrate the host board. And Max is the best. I'm so proud of him and his awesome pod.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 4:I'm really glad we got to make him feel special today.
Speaker 3:Very cool, I love being a part of the Max birthday episodes. Yeah, man.
Speaker 1:You're always filling that third or fourth chair whenever called upon, so we hope you had fun today too. Derek, any previews for Silver Screams? Anything to come here that you want to plug?
Speaker 3:We just closed out Zom May with our episode of 28 Days Later with Byron our good buddy Byron Pullen on the pod again. We'll see if that one can skyrocket past the. Nope, take the number one spot.
Speaker 1:Nope I will say what his first one was the Gift. Yes, and that's what's always competing with the Shining.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Listeners go listen to my guest appearance on this talked for two hours about the shining. 28 days later, a much better film than the gift so it probably, you know, could stand a chance absolutely um, all right. So in the meantime, follow excuse the intermission on instagram and all of us on letterbox don't often get to say that to track what we're watching between shows and we will talk to you next time on ETI, where movies still matter.
