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MaXXXine Review + the X Trilogy with Matthew Rush
Alex and Max welcome Seattle filmmaker Matthew Rush to the show and discuss the new horror/thriller ‘MaXXXine’ from director Ti West and actor Mia Goth.
how's it? I'm alex mccauley and I'm max fosberg and this is excuse the intermission a discussion show surrounding being a star. On today's show, we will be reviewing maxine, the third installment into the x slash pearl trilogy, in the latest film directed by horror enthusiast ty west. We also have a special guest joining us for this ride to stardom, who will be introduced as soon as we return from this short break.
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Speaker 3:Alex, how are you doing? First off, how are you doing today? We're almost through this heat wave, I think. I think temperatures are coming down to normal.
Speaker 1:Well, it's funny you ask because we recorded a podcast for another show about well, I guess it wasn't our Pearl episode or that Pearl episode but we're going to be doing another Pearl episode for the Silver Screams podcast, andine, maxine, maxine. Yeah, sorry, um, and you know we did that podcast yesterday in the basement over here at my house much cooler. I am back in our regular studio. We're doing it remote because we're a guest today, but I can at least withstand this heat. Today we're like I don't know, seven degrees cooler, but when you go from 95 down to 87, that makes a big difference. This feels like 20 degrees cooler, if you ask me. So I'm doing well, got outside, did some prep for our live show which, if you're listening to this podcast, it would have already have happened, I suppose. So if you came down to our live show on Thursday 7-11.
Speaker 3:Well, maybe you're listening right at 9am tomorrow, this is true.
Speaker 1:And then you're coming to the live show, yes. So I went down and I did a final walkthrough for that this morning, really stoked, really excited. It's going to be an awesome event. So, yes, if you are listening to this pod early in the morning with your cup of coffee and you're in the South Sound, come down to Edison Square. It's going to be a great time. How are you?
Speaker 3:I'm doing well, you know, surviving the heat, as always, getting through the school week. And, as you mentioned, we are doing this remote today because we have a wonderful guest with us. And this guest, you know, he is a prolific filmmaker here in the indie Seattle film scene. Whenever his name is brought up, I always hear a lighting legend, like he is Mr Gaffer, writing legend Like he is Mr Gaffer. But he's also a very talented filmmaker, a very talented actor, producer, editor.
Speaker 4:Mr Matthew Rush is here with us today. Hey, matt, how you doing Good? Yeah, roasting truly roasting like a chicken in an oven here in Shoreline. But yeah, I'm doing good. That's very sweet of you. It's so stressful. I'm bad at hearing anything about myself, but I appreciate it. Thank you, I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you reached out and there were a couple of different episodes. You felt very strongly about coming on and Ty West and Maxine, I believe, was at the top of the list. There were a couple different episodes. You felt very strongly about coming on and Ty West and Maxine, I believe, was at the top of the list.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think. I don't know if the list was in any sort of order, but if it had been, this probably would have been on. This was probably my most anticipated movie this year, for sure, actually.
Speaker 1:I don't know. There's a lot of good shit coming out.
Speaker 4:I'm excited about this year, especially for weird horror stuff that's coming out.
Speaker 1:I was going to ask just so the listeners can kind of get to know you a little bit. Is is hard, or even just kind of like a hard genre picture. Is that what you find yourself gravitating towards the most when you're looking for something to watch?
Speaker 4:I think I mean it's so tough because I love I mean I love everything. I just love movies and. But I think, yeah, I'll gravitate towards genre and horror. I think it's also because that's the stuff that I'm gravitating towards making, so it feels more like oh, I'll, you know, do a little homework with my relaxation time and you know, um, um, but yeah, it's all.
Speaker 4:I feel like it's all so like mood specific, like I'm uh, I love a good slasher when I'm like sick, you know, when you're just like God, I just want I just want to watch people feel worse than I feel right now you know, but yeah, I, I love all of it. Um, yeah, I'm very excited for long legs this weekend is I'm very intrigued. Um, it's an exciting horror year that it definitely is that's.
Speaker 1:That's something alex has been championing all all year long that this is might go down as like a really, really golden horror year yeah, I think what's so exciting about it too and we're getting to the meat of this, this sandwich and and I think we'll have an idea here pretty soon but, like, which film from this really strong year is going to end up being the hereditary from 2017?
Speaker 1:Which one's going to end up being the midsmar from 2019, or the lighthouse or the witch, like some of these iconic films that have you know, they get re-released in theaters every year for for fan screenings. They have boutique blue blu-ray releases. They've kind of launched their directors into this other, uh, this upper echelon of stardom, and so it's really exciting right now because ty west obviously established but and I think we'll get into this this trilogy I think has really helped take him to that next level, yeah, of becoming like a household name, and so it's it's really fun as we sit here and people like osgood perkins have you know they have a second film coming out. A lot of, a lot of sophomore directors are the ones behind these projects this year, and so that that part of it is also I think it provides a lot of that intrigue that you're talking about yeah, I think what's been really exciting for me is there's some really really cool stuff that's being released in the in like the indie horror genre, this like.
Speaker 4:There's some like IFC midnight shutter stuff. That's been absolutely insane. It's a controversial thing. I have uh strong positive feelings about late late night with the devil. I really love that movie. I know it's a. You know we all wish they wouldn't be using the ai but it's you know. Um, there's this insane I havec midnight shutter movie that I saw called uh stop motion.
Speaker 1:That I'm yeah I was waiting for it. I didn't want to interrupt and put any words in your mouth, but that's. That movie's been hanging around my top 10 ever since I saw it. This year it's so good I truly like.
Speaker 4:I've seen a lot of horror movies and it's been like I don't think a movie has gotten a reaction that visceral out of me in a long time, where I was like multiple reactions throughout the film where I'm like okay, you can't top what you just did.
Speaker 1:And then, 15 minutes later, here I am audibly saying like oh shit to myself.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm like in the theater, like, oh God, don't do that.
Speaker 1:That motion is awesome. It's so sick. Yeah, don't do that. Top motion is awesome, top motion.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and you're just like God, how long did it take you to make that? Like I think like once a week there's like her laying there and she looks over and you see the little girl come into the room and you're like okay, like whatever, they cut it in half, like sure, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:And then a little girl like gets onto her and is climbing on her leg and I'm like, oh my god, the sheer like technical insanity of what it must have been like to do that is when I, when I talked about this on the pod a couple months ago, I I I praised that aspect of it, as I was like this is not only a great horror film, but it is also a great stop motion film. Like there's so much craft that went in to producing that film yeah, that's, that's a great shout out. I'm happy. I'm happy that there's there's a growing cult for stop motion, because it's it's under seen and more people need to check it out for sure.
Speaker 3:I, I, I, I almost I almost fired stop motion up the other night, but then for some reason I took a hard left turn and did the incredibly depressing and sad Michel Franco's new movie Memory. So if you come to a two-way stop, there go stop motion.
Speaker 4:I don't know. I will say like amazing movie. I don't know if I felt good walking out of stop motion. Like I don't know if I was like what a fun jaunt. I was like people in the world are disgusting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's one for the sickos. It really is, it's one for the sickos it really is one for the sickos.
Speaker 4:I mean, like as a sicko myself, it's very exciting.
Speaker 1:Uh, I feel like it's a lot of ones for the sickos are coming out, and that's really a benefit to me well, I think this is kind of a good transition into ty west too, because you can tell going back through through his filmography and back to something like House with the Devil, he is such a student of the game, right, he just is a sucker for nostalgia and for these different eras of horror that obviously influenced his career. So, as now a self-proclaimed fellow sicko, I can imagine, matthew, that when you first saw some of his films, that probably struck a chord with you.
Speaker 4:House of the Devil was, I think, the first Ty West movie that I saw. I really loved it. I think it's like the man's amazing in homage he's so good at just being like. I mean like it feels like House of the Devil was made in 1976 to the extent where you like suddenly see Greta Gerwig in it 30 minutes in. You're like what the fuck is happening. But I think there's he is a part of this like era of, like early 2010s horror directors that have all like the VHS guys.
Speaker 1:That's what have all like the VHS guys. That's what I think of the VHS guys.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's that kind of uh those. It's like Joe Swanberg's horror guys. And um, yeah, it's so funny. I actually watched VHS like three days ago, two days ago or something. Um, yeah, it's so, but they just have such a like all of them they're just sick. They it's I love somebody. That's just like I really want to just look at like heinous bad people and see what makes them tick. Um, it's just such a fun vibe.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, I've seen I'm trying to pull up on letterboxd here His, I think yeah, While you're doing that, and since you just mentioned letterboxd, I went back and I was rereading some old reviews of the house with the devil that I had, and I'm so happy you mentioned Greta Gerwig, because something that I have had written down is I'm like I just need a coffee table book of every single line she says in that film. Like she, her character as just like the best friend, is so perfect and it's a classic hard trope that the best friend is. You know they have all the funny punchy lines but, like before, anybody knew who she was to go back and watch that movie and then you see her. It's fantastic, um, and then, just like the title sequence, everything I can remember, uh, trying to track down the house of the devil so badly when it came out.
Speaker 1:I was living in hawaii at the time and I remember I didn't. There was no theater that was playing it, um, and it had. This is like kids these days will never understand. There was, I'm pretty sure the distribution rights for for home video were like exclusively through blockbuster if you wanted to rent it. So I remember driving like three towns over from where I was living to go to the blockbuster and I had to make a an account so that I could rent House of the Devil, and that's how bad I wanted to see it and I just think that that's a film, that it came out at that perfect time, right before.
Speaker 1:I think the pandemic really heightened people's response and their emotion to things that were nostalgic. You saw trading cards, you saw all these different things like Habit Big Resurgence. We're kind of in the middle of this physical media boom right now, but for him to release that at the end of the decade there was also like ahead of its time, because now you see this and it, everybody would just be like, oh, it's just somebody else trying to do stranger things and pay homage to the 80s or whatever.
Speaker 4:But because this has been his brand all along, I think it's made this maxine trilogy so much easier to swallow and for people to accept is like that's that's his, that's his mo is to do stuff like this yeah, it is, and what I've found, what I think is so interesting about the, the uh x trilogy is just like, and what I love so much about it conceptually, is just that like everybody feels differently about these movies because they're just such heavy homages to a certain like era of film, a certain genre of film, that it's like we were like outside of maxine, like having me and my friends were just like arguing about like what order to put them in, you know, and I, because it's all, it's different for all of us, because I'd like, you know, some resonated with, uh, some people didn't resonate with other people, like we had one of our friends who went there was like, oh, maxine was like my favorite one and I'm so glad we watched it. It's, you know it's.
Speaker 1:They're fascinating movies well, I think that they played to all these different, like you were saying, all these different eras of Hollywood. And so, depending on what your specific taste is, even outside of like hard genre pictures, if you really like the classical Hollywood story that you would find in movies from the 30s, 40s and 50s, then Pearl's going to be that's your jam right there. Oh yeah, 30s, 40s and 50s, then pearl's gonna be that's your jam right there. Oh yeah, if you are into like the har renaissance and really kind of the golden age in the 70s, then x is gonna be your movie. And if you're into like the psychosexual, um more like murder mystery, like the palma stuff, yeah, the early diploma stuff that's gonna be in giallo, stuff, like that's gonna be maxine for you. So it just like it scratches every itch, um it for for different film fans, and so I think that that's what's so cool about this trilogy oh yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3:It's the brilliance behind these three movies and why more filmmakers don't like set out to do this when they go and do a trilogy. I mean, and I know that maybe that doesn't interest every filmmaker in the world, but I think it's so smart to go into something like this and be like I'm going to make a complete set of films with characters that span over all that span, you know, over all three films together, but each one's going to be a different flavor.
Speaker 3:It's going to be a div, a little different flavor of ice cream for each one, right yeah? Then you got yourself a banana split and you're fucking really happy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, I agree, I think it's. I think it's a double edged sword, where I think it's a double-edged sword, where I think it is great. But then it's also like some of us out here in the world would just watch three different X's, like over and over and over again. You know what I mean. So then it's like you know I go back and forth on it. I think it's they're fascinating, I think they're a real, like such an insane character piece. For me, a goth, it's like stunning. I like an amazing, amazing actor. Okay, do you guys? Do you guys have, do you have, a ranking, do you?
Speaker 1:have your it is well. I love that you just brought up up mia goth because it is almost I feel like my ranking almost needs to be tied to how much I feel like mia goth gets to cook in the three different movies where I'm kind of like which one showcases her talents the best, because we kind of talked about how this trilogy is really launched tie into the limelight Same with me, a goth, I feel like right now I cannot open Instagram and not see some interview with me.
Speaker 1:A goth and just like everyone's, like her voice is so great and all this other stuff, and she's got such like an interesting face, like she's beautiful.
Speaker 1:But she also like doesn't have eyebrows, which is like I can't stop looking at her non-existent eyebrows.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, um, in these videos, like so she is just like such a fascinating creature, such a great actress, um, and so I feel so like I'm always gonna be impartial to pearl, because I feel like that is that's the one where it's just a tour de force mia goth showcase, yeah, and in x, I think it's, he does a really good job, the script does a really good job of slowly making that her movie, like, yes, we are introduced to her character and everything like that, but it's a little bit more of an ensemble piece there until like the second half of the film.
Speaker 1:So it becomes a mia goth movie. Pearl is a mia goth movie and then maxine starts as a mia goth movie and then kind of turns into an ensemble. So it's it's. For me it's kind of interesting how that arc happens where it's not really her, and then it is at the end of x and then it's all her for pearl, and then it's all her to start maxine, and then, as we slip away, obviously it's still her story but, like maxine has such a star-studded cast where it's hard not to just like play hey look, it's that guy.
Speaker 4:Hey look, it's that guy oh my yeah, kevin bacon running around like an absolute cartoon character, like jake eddie is from chinatown, but like an alcoholic version from louisiana, it's fantastic. Oh, my god, just them running through the sets and he's literally running like he's the fucking road runner like and he's like, trying to hold his pants up and you're just like what? The fuck amazing in that movie.
Speaker 1:So I think my ranking probably goes pearl. And then re-watching x x is so strong, um, and so it's really hard. I guess I would put I guess I would go pearl, x, then probably maxine. But that's just because I want, I need. Maxine has to sit with me for a little bit longer and I probably need to re-watch it before before I can cement my rankings in stone.
Speaker 4:It's also interesting because it's so much denser of a movie than I mean literally. The only reason Pearl exists is because they were in a two week COVID quarantine waiting to film X and just like pumped a script out in two weeks and we're like done, just rent the same script out in two weeks and we're like done, just rent the same farm for like two more months.
Speaker 1:Yeah so it's also hard not to then kind of just get lost and swept up in that that story. Those behind behind the scenes, um, you know, kind of I don't know if I would say it's like thing of legend quite yet, but that is like the story that most people know now, where it's just like yeah, it was the covid quarantine and they just decided let's turn this into a franchise just pumped one out, yeah, max. What's your rankings?
Speaker 3:uh. So I I've been going back and forth, I I think I'm going to stick with X at the top, whereas Alex, you kind of hone in on Mia Goth, I hone in on the genres and what my favorite genres are of these three films. So I think X is number one for me because I just love 70s horror and 70s movies in general. But Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the Hills have Eyes like those are just very, very important films to me. And so X will always, I think, be at the top.
Speaker 3:And then, personally, maxine is right there, close second, because Maxine is a, is a flavor of of De Palma, of Paul Schrader, of all these wonderful like gritty eighties, no war films that I really, really enjoy too. And then Pearl is, is is third for me, even though you know again, the performance is is insane in Pearl and definitely she is cooking the most there. But for me, the period piece of it all, and I just I don't know, I simply just don't really care about the character Pearl, even though you know she is an ex and whatnot. But I am really hooked on to the character of Maxine, even though it's the same actor. But yeah, so yeah, I would go X, maxine and then Pearl.
Speaker 1:How do you have them ranked?
Speaker 4:I'm in the same boat as Max. X is like. I really enjoy all these movies. X is like above and be like. I've watched X, I think five times. I watched X last week before going to see this. I just think it taps into this vein of sevents filth that I just love. It's just so fun and it's so like. You know look, we're all freaks here. It's so horny and that's so fun.
Speaker 4:It's like I just love a movie that's so unabashedly horny that literally like one of the climactic moments in it is like having your main character have to crawl out of the bottom of like under a bed while like two like horrifying old murderers fuck on top. Like what the fuck? Like what, where did you? And I think that there's a really fun um, I think that there's a really fun aspect of x that isn't present in the other two movies of um, like maxine having to like stare down the reality of a world where she like does not become famous. And I think, like I think I certainly agree that mia goth's performance in pearl is like insane and probably the most, the best performance out of these three movies. But I think there is something to be said about the fact that mia goth is playing two completely different, extremely pivotal characters in x and you're like acting against yourself. Uh, I have an unfortunate, uh, I've done that.
Speaker 1:And it's really fucking hard.
Speaker 4:Um, cause you're really just, you're acting against nothing and you're just like all right, I have to be. I, my shit has to be on lock. Um, I just think X is like a masterwork it's so good. Um and Maxine is great. I have. Masterwork, it's so good. Um and maxine is great. I have. I have mixed feelings about maxine and pearl, but I think that maxine it just, it matches my freak a little bit more. It's like it's. It's like max was saying it's just bartering in something that I have more experience loving than the movies that Pearl is no homage to.
Speaker 1:That makes a lot of sense. I do think that the thing about X that was so cool at the time and has only continued to grow for film nerds is all of the editing and Ty himself edits all three of these films and so just kind of like the, the, whether it's like the wipes or the scene transitions where it gives you kind of like Craven does this in a couple of his early films, but like where it shows you that like I don't know the technical term for it, but like a quick flash of the scene you're about to go to and it does it like one or two times and then you finally end up in that scene like I just that is so cool. Um. And so I do think that x has the most.
Speaker 1:Even though the aesthetic in maxine is so cool, it is just that like hazy, red light district, neon, bathed 1980s los angeles. That is really really just pleasant to look at, um, especially on like a big screen. The thing I also like about pearl so much though, in contrast to those two films, and I don't know if I'm like more partial to liking pearl, because I love something like midsommar, but most of pearl, except for like the explosive dinner scene that happens in that awesome storm.
Speaker 1:Most of pearl takes place like during the day it's a daytime horror film and I I'm always going to really appreciate when someone can create, uh, the tension and and set you up to be uncomfortable when you should be feeling totally safe and like nothing bad can happen to me as an audience member because it's daylight out, and so I think that that what he pulled off in that regard with pearl is always going to help hold that movie in high regard for me too oh, yeah, I think, okay, I think they're all great movies.
Speaker 4:I think to me and that is a great point about it being a daytime horror movie, it's funny, it's it's maybe the hardest one for me to think of as a horror movie like it's just such a, it's just such a character study that it just feels like to me and, again, clear, I'm too much of a freak for my own good, probably. So it's like a movie where it starts with her like violently murdering an animal and I'm like what an interesting character drama this is like.
Speaker 1:But, um, no, I feel the exact same way because I'm like wow, we're all such a slow burn, but it the title card literally pops up when she's feeding the goose to the alligator.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, it's like god.
Speaker 1:But then I love that the goose came back too. By the way, did you catch that little easter egg? All of maxine's cocaine at the beginning.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's in the goose.
Speaker 1:I thought that was so funny yeah that's funny.
Speaker 4:We were just talking about that Like regardless of like, not thinking of it as an homage. We were just like, wow, she's really kicked up like the class of her cocaine habit over the last 10 years. Like we're not to her, like, uh, it's funny again x. You're just like, oh, this woman is really handling everything with by just like doing a fat bump of cocaine. And then you're just like like in maxine. You're like damn, yeah, she's got to learn her lines.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I get it.
Speaker 4:You know it's like yeah maybe she just maybe she has adhd. They didn't, you know, they didn't have adderall back that, uh, ceramic geese full of cocaine. You just did what you had to do yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think we should probably, for those who have seen maxine give, give the listeners something to kind of hear us review and and sort of critique if we have any um, cons or anything that we wish we would have seen differently. But then also too, if you have not seen the film, some soft spoiler warnings here, because we're going to get into it Big, big spoilers.
Speaker 2:Big spoilers.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, matthew, how do you feel that the plot, the script, the final, if this is the final arc of the Maxine you know story concluded.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think that I think that it's a very interesting plot. I mean, I think it's kind of like immediately diving into spoiler territory here. I mean I think it was like at the end of like, when the Maxine thing popped up at the end of Pearl, and then you like I saw the trailer we were all talking about, like yeah, I mean we knew it was gonna be her dad. Like immediate like you, just like it would have to be. They just like. And then the way that it starts, it's like, yeah, okay, of course, it's like her dad murdering people but I think the end of x.
Speaker 1:I think you said pearl, but you mean at the end of x or at the end of x and then the beginning of Maxine. Yes, right, right, right, same video.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I I think it's fun. I think the character arc with Maxine is really fun. It does feel like the one out of the three of these where I'm like, oh there's, there's some extra fat on this bone For the first time in three movies. You've got two very stripped down movies, but then it's also like that's kind of the thing it's bartering in is big, over-the-top, showy 80s. Suddenly we're in a giant gunfight and you're like what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 4:Cause every cult member has a sawed off shotgun and you're like hell yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay, sure, but yeah, I think I think there's a, there's a little bit of, there's a little bit of fat on the bone on this one for sure, and I think I could see people. I really love it, but I think I could see people having a hard time with how much everybody in this movie other than mia goth is like hamming it up like they're full 80s ham, like just going crazy. But it's great. Like the actor who plays her dad, the second. He's like in that close-up in the hallway and you're like this man is a sicko. What the fuck like who? This is an insane performance. What the fuck is happening? Um, but it's good. I I had a fantastic time with it. I think it's a really fun movie.
Speaker 1:Max, you and I have had about 48 hours now to kind of sit on the film. We watched it. I'm calling this, I put it on my Instagram story, but I'm officially titling our Tuesday morning adventures as Best Ticket Tuesday, because it's the best ticket in town.
Speaker 3:9 am 8.
Speaker 1:I am the 9 am Window on a member Tuesday at the Rustin Cinemark. If you guys want to come hang out with us, we are always going to be the only people in the theater. I will make you a coffee, bring it to you. Best ticket Tuesday is the way to go. So we saw this Tuesday. We're recording this Wednesday evening, so it has, you know, been a little bit of time. Now how? How do you feel? The movie finally sits with you.
Speaker 3:I think it's, I think it's got some amazing moments, but the the final, the final act is is where I I fall off a bit now saying that, though I have a lot of fun getting to that point, but I think I even said this walking out I was like and I guess I understand that like having the dad as the actual villain, but they could have done something so much more. Like more whodunit, and like made it someone that you weren't expecting, right, like I thought I.
Speaker 3:I was hoping it was going to be Elizabeth Debicki the director and that she had, like she was like trying to create her her own you know story or whatever in real life. So I think they could have, they could have gone that way to make it a little bit more, because then you're kind of giving homage to something like Scream as well, right, so you're picking a little bit from the 80s and 90s, and that would have just been really, really fun. I love the setting of being in Hollywood and of course, I mean the nostalgic feeling that you feel while you're watching it. You're thinking of blowout, you're thinking of body double, you're thinking of hardcore, you're thinking of um, all these eighties, you know even body heat a little bit.
Speaker 1:The big one for me was that I've thought about was eight millimeter, because you're going through that like that Los Angeles, um, you know X videos like the dirty rental stores and kind of all the little back rooms and stuff like that, just like the red light district, and I was like we haven't really seen this in a film since eight millimeter.
Speaker 3:And so that was another one too where I was like I'm I'm sure Ty's a fan of that movie yeah, it also it also really reminded me of a really recent film last night in soho, you're right, even though it doesn't really have like the surreal, you know, fantastical uh side of things that that movie does. But um, but yeah, I, I had a lot of fun with it.
Speaker 4:I do, you know, and and as matt was saying, like gene carlo uh john carlo espanito yeah john carlo espanito is just out of just out of his mind in that out of his mind awesome yeah, he's so great, kevin bacon the hairpiece god yeah, he's funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kevin bacon is literally on drugs like he is. It's so great. Kevin bacon, the airpiece god yeah he's funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, kevin bacon is literally on drugs like he is. It's so having a hell of a year. Uh, and if kevin bacon is just going to be like kind of crazy character, side characters who come, come in and, like you know, ball out for 10 to 15 minutes in a movie, I'm, I'm, I'm here for it, really okay with that I love that.
Speaker 1:This is the trajectory that a lot of these like boomer actors are taking with their career, like we've seen hugh grant just show up in like wonka movies and play.
Speaker 4:I can't, I cannot wait, sorry, as complete side tangent. I can't wait for this. Yeah, this unhinged a24 movie. That's just like fucking hugh grant trapping missionaries and it's the entity rat maze of the house.
Speaker 3:I'm like let's go a24 is starting to come down into the mud a little bit yeah, they're making some wild shit they want to they want to get get into the slop a little bit with like blumhouse and some of the other lower tier stuff.
Speaker 4:I'm stoked for it, honestly, like I'm pro Blumhouse for the most part, for the most part.
Speaker 4:So I'm like okay, like we've had our fun. But I did have like a moment during like Talk to Me, where like the first 30 minutes of that movie is so fun and it's such an apt like people like teenagers or early 20 somethings partying, and then like you're an hour in and they're like this is a. This is a deeply depressing look at grief and I was like fuck again, guys, we just like the hand's cool. Can we just have the hand murder people Can we let go, you know, but yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, I think A24 is definitely a heretic. And what's the Brandy movie called Alex?
Speaker 1:I don't know, because I've tried to stay away from it. I was right next to you in the theater and for both those trailers I just looked away because I'm I'm gonna be there we can one and so I just I don't want to see anything spoiled yeah, the brandy movie also looks fun, or it's just like what if?
Speaker 4:what if your mother-in-law was just a complete heinous nightmare?
Speaker 1:I do think so, oh, sorry, no wrap up your thoughts, yeah, but back to Maxine.
Speaker 3:You know, I think actually Mia Goth's performance in this where, like we were saying, you know if Pearl is like the extreme, like she is cooking 24-7 in that and X is kind of a slow build, I thought this was just like the perfect blend where, cause we open up with kind of a a like a scene that's very much in conversation with the last scene of Pearl, right when she's doing the audition and she's fucking acting out of her mind, yeah.
Speaker 3:And so but then also she's fucking acting out of her mind, yeah and so, but then also she's like I don't know, she plays it very cool throughout the film as well where everyone else is an extreme cartoon, yeah. But yeah, I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. Some people that I really trust on Letterboxd and whatnot and how they were kind of disappointed with the film. I thought for sure, going in I was going to be let down and maybe that helped going in. I don't know, but I actually really, really dug it.
Speaker 4:I feel like sometimes, when you like, like preemptively kick your expectations down, it tends to help, like for me I'm just gonna say yep yeah, sometimes I'll be like have convinced myself a thing is gonna be shit, and then I walk out with like my friends or my girlfriend and they're like that that wasn't very good and I'm like I had a pretty good time. You know, I embraced it for what it was. I had fun. I.
Speaker 1:I find myself doing the same thing. And and then the inverse of that too is when somebody is just like this is a five-star film and oh my gosh, everything everywhere, all straight face, sit there and be like, yes, I think this is one of the greatest movies of the last 25 years or however long people want to put that in the conversation. So just expectations are such an interesting thing, because I do believe that they really can max. I didn't know that about you, that you're reading letterboxd reviews of films that you haven't seen yet.
Speaker 3:That's dangerous it is dangerous. I I trust most of my people on there, most of the people that fall on there, that they'll, they'll have the spoiler if it's bad, yeah, you get the darth vader screen.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, I feel like half of my friends do the spoiler thing and half of my friends are just like I'm not gonna spoil anything and then they spoil like a huge plot point in the second sentence yeah the second sentence can't believe halsey only had 10 lines before she died.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my god, new jersey. Ashley, fucking halsey. Just leading into her accent, I thought that that was awesome.
Speaker 1:I yeah, I just I loved all the little side players in this film, even though I do think it took a little bit away from from Maxine shine. But also I do agree that like she was playing the character that she was, that she should actually be playing in this world where she is. Like she has learned right through the events of x that she needs to be like always looking out for herself, calm, cool and collected in the face of danger, and like let someone else make the mistake, like don't do too much and potentially jeopardize. All I've worked for to get here and that's what I think is interesting about this movie is that like we meet her and she's got the Mercedes and she's like you think that like oh, she's really made it, but then you, but then you still see like she's working a couple of different jobs. Like she's still doing exotic dancing on the side. Like she's like helping out with the production of pornographic videos. Like she's doing all these different things she's got an apartment above one of these video rental stores.
Speaker 1:Like she hasn't quite made it, but she's right on the brink of getting her big break, and so that's why I do think that, even though she's a little bit more reserved in this role, it does make sense the more you think about it. And if she was like I don't want to say that like her and ty sat down and said after they wrote the pearl script together, you're gonna get nominated for an oscar, even though the academy needs to quit playing with my emotions and posting clips of mia goth from these three films, like they did it again yesterday, where it's like, really, yes, and they were doing it all all year, two years ago when pearl came out, where they were just like they would post her monologue, the academy awards instagram page and I'm like you cowards are never gonna nominate her.
Speaker 1:So like you would never nominate a horror movie, leave me alone, yeah you didn't do it for tony collette in hereditary, or florence, pew and midsmar or any of these other people who have just crushed it in these roles.
Speaker 1:Like you're not gonna do it now, so don't do this, yeah, um, and so I don't think it would have made sense for her to go for another huge, dramatic swing with this performance, and and I think that that's what the movie called for, and so the more I'm thinking about it, my like big takeaway is that, like this movie did exactly what I think it was supposed to do in terms of like, putting us, the audience member, in a new era, the characters in a new era, jumping decades um, not as, not as intensely as pearl did, but just going from the 70s to the 80s, continuing the x story and doing it in like a pretty good fashion.
Speaker 1:That that not only allowed me a goth, to kind of put a bow on this and become this huge superstar, but also for ty, I feel like to like we see this with all sorts of different directors, but for ty to really be like, okay, I don't know when I'm gonna make my next movie, so let me just get out all the things that I've been thinking about over the past like five years since I made this project, and if I haven't gotten them on screen, like I'm gonna give an homage to chinatown with kevin bacon's, like broken nose and his and his uh bandages or whatever, and I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that, and so I feel like everybody, like I. I hope that everybody involved feels like they. They accomplished what they set out to do, because as an audience member, that's how I feel. I feel very like fulfilled by by these three films.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think I agree and I think I mean never say never. But I feel like this is a really good button on this story and I think it's been like an exciting way to like pull ty west into the spotlight and get him like bigger budgets for things, hopefully in the future. But I am at a point where I'm like these were a blast. I'm so glad they exist. I can't wait for the kind of following of this. The cult following of this as a trilogy is going to be so fun moving forward. But now I'm I I am to a point where I'm like all right, I'm ready to see what ty wants to do next. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like well because he does such a good job. He doesn't. He doesn't he? So far in his career he's he hasn't doubled down on anything like you can say that like this is a trilogy, right, but I think we all love it so much because, as we've talked about it's, it's a different thing each time. Yeah, but like you look at the innkeepers and he's told a ghost story, you look at house of the devil and he's done the satanic panic stuff. Matthew, I gotta know how you feel about the sacrament, because the sacrament is like one of my favorites. I think the sacrament goes hard.
Speaker 1:It's the thing is I it's not such an awesome cool cult found footage movie that if people haven't seen it they gotta check it out and what I love is the twist of the, just like the vice news setting of all of it.
Speaker 4:It's so fun Like kind of making fun of this, like vice news set up, but also like then suddenly you're like in real action and you're like, oh God, okay, this is not good, like we have to get this is bad. I think the end of the sacrament is like like true insanity, like one of the most wild cult depiction things I've ever seen. It's so it's like deeply upsetting.
Speaker 1:But it's a really fun movie, yeah um, and so I don't I don't know what that means is next for him, because I'm, if he stays in the space of, like genre pitchers, I can't wait to see what he does next, because I feel now, like after you know, following his career for 10, 15 years, that he's going to give us something new again and it won't be something that we've seen before. So that that part, I feel like, is also why the Maxine, you know, conclusion to the to the x trilogy should just be celebrated and and I think that it's so, max, you talked about this earlier and we love when filmmakers, and even when you see it in tv shows, honestly, like the, the, the biggest problem with television shows is that, like a show that probably should have ended with season four goes until season seven, and like a trilogy that should have just ended at three films turns in to.
Speaker 4:we make the hobbit, you know and it's just like no, like sure, we make three hobbits off of 150 exactly.
Speaker 1:Um, so it's, it's. It's comforting to feel like ty has a really good understanding of when he's like tapped a weld dry, and I think that that's probably where they are at right now yeah, it'd be really interesting to see what the next move is, because they've also done, you know, western, a straight up western as well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I, I haven't seen his Western.
Speaker 3:That's like the one in the Valley of violence with with Ethan Hawk and John Unbelievable. I've not seen it either, but it signed me up.
Speaker 4:I mean, yeah, I'm game.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it'll be really interesting to see if he stays in the horror world, which obviously I think he is most known, right as a horror director yeah, I think it is has.
Speaker 4:It's clearly what he gravitates to, even like on his uh letterboxd you can see, like the stuff he made pre house of the devil, which is like a few very low budget features and some shorts and they're all. It's all horror. Yeah, um, he's just. I think that's his wheelhouse, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I just think he's like such a cool dude, like he's married to Alison and wonderland, who's like a really awesome edm dj, and I just like love that as a celebrity couple. And so as somebody who was, who was like a ty west fan, I'm like I think I'm a fan boy now where I'm just like I'm ready to like kind of just follow this guy's personal life, um, as like a celebrity which is, you know, I feel like directors don't get that type of fandom as much anymore now these days, um, and so that that also is really exciting for me at least, to be like. Here's another person who I feel like just kind of gets it and who is like a fellow sicko that I can, that I can, you know, not feel bad or feel like, oh my gosh, like celebrity culture, whatever, blah, blah, blah, like focus on yourself, like no, ty just seems like a genuinely cool dude.
Speaker 4:So I really hope the best for him and whatever he decides to do next and what I love about this whole uh, group of people is that they, they all like this group of, they'll all like act in each other. There just seems to be at least like At the time when they were starting out doing this Just like no ego and they were like yeah, it just feels like summer camp vibes, where they were all like when Ty showed up in your Next, the first time I saw your. Next. He's so good in your.
Speaker 1:Next Fucking hilarious, it's your next. The first time I saw your next good in your next fucking hilarious, it's so funny. Yeah, yeah, he's great. Um, so here's my question and and now we'll see, because we've talked all about how past influences have all obviously really helped ty make these movies and kind of shape who he is today.
Speaker 1:Do you think we will start to see more filmmakers, whether it's in horror or otherwise, set out to make like a two to three picture story and be very clear about those intentions?
Speaker 1:Because I think that it's one thing when you know Kevin Costner is trying to do it with a Western story, but it's another thing if you know kevin costner is trying to do it with a western story, um, but it's another thing if you have like, uh, but it's another thing when you have one of these filmmakers who have come up in the indie scene and who still isn't quite like an a-list director ever probably going to be nominated for like an academy award, unfortunately, but it would be really interesting, I feel like if you know, like the guys who directed talk to me, or or the guys who have made it pretty big from scream, if all of a sudden they were going to come out and say, like we have a story that we want to tell in in one or two or obviously not one, but in two or three parts.
Speaker 1:Do you think we'll start to see more of that and will that kind of then be maybe considered or referred to as like oh, they're doing the x thing, they're doing the max theme maxine thing I don't like, in a way I hope so, but I don't know.
Speaker 4:I think the hard thing is there's like multiple parts to this equation and it's not just like not everybody's gonna get a mia goth, you know what I mean. Like not everybody's going to get a Mia Goth. You know what I mean. Like not everybody's going to have Because, like, as great of a director as I think Ty West is, you don't have you just don't have this movie, any of these movies, without Mia Goth. I couldn't see them hitting the same way without him finding something in her that I think is not a talent that's going to readily pop up. That's a great point, especially not for somebody who's like yeah, I mean like Florence Pugh Amazing. She did one horror movie which is is a masterpiece, and then she was like never want to do that again, get me the fuck out of there.
Speaker 4:and like mia goth is like being little women yeah yeah, and mia goth is like and thank god she is, she's great in little women. But mia goth is like fuck it, cover me in blood, let's.
Speaker 3:Well, I think you're. I mean, it's not a trilogy, right, but like it kind of reminds me of, like, emma Stone and Yorgos. Yeah, and kind of what they're in the middle of doing right now with poor things kindness, and then the next movie next year that they're coming out with.
Speaker 4:They've got another one, next Jesus Christ yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yorg. Um, they've got another one next jesus christ yeah, yeah yorgos is is on a heater right now um no kidding, have you seen kinds of kindness?
Speaker 4:I have seen kinds of kindness.
Speaker 1:It's an insane movie uh, another one for the sickos yeah, that's some real dog tooth shit.
Speaker 4:He really, he really rolled back to the dog tooth energy yeah it's a wild movie I'm that's.
Speaker 1:That's a really good point, though, max, that's. I think we are seeing it kind of played out, and maybe not so much because of what's happened here with these three films, but I do think that we're kind of in. It's something you know everything in hollywood, everything in life is cyclical and like we used to see this all the time you know, like de Niro and Scorsese right. Working together over and over and you just kind of find your your actor and filmmaker partner partnerships.
Speaker 3:I will say, if, if people are going to do like a, a trilogy that connects and you know, be upfront about it and all that, I think the one genre it really works in is horror, front about it, and all that, I think the one genre it really works in is horror, right, I think if, if you come in with a horror story that tells us, tells a complete story over three films, I think that's, that's very easy to green light as opposed to something else you know, in that format yeah, well, and especially, if you like, are careful enough to like think small where it's like the reason this worked is because it was such low overhead for a 24.
Speaker 4:The first two movies, like they were like I'm sure they both have production budgets of like $10 million. Like I'm sure they were just like literally rent us a farm. We'll do two days of location shooting. Other than that, we're on the farm and we'll make it all work on the farm and we'll sleep at the farm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, craft services is coming from the farm. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, the farm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, craft services is coming from the farm.
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely, yeah, mia is killing the animals that we're eating for lunch right, yeah animals were harmed I mean, yeah, so the budget for x was one million dollars, which is fucking nothing that's, that's amazing but and you know, you know what really helps.
Speaker 1:that though and I pointed this out to max you look at the producers on this film and the people who helped bankroll these movies scott mescady and so kid cuddy, I'm sure, is not asking to be paid all that much to act in x, because he's a producer on all three films, right. Mia is a producer on all three films. Yeah. Ty West is doing the editing, he's producing it, he's writing it with Mia.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's another amazing thing. And like, honestly, like people should not, uh, people need to recognize that like Ty West, editing these feature films on top of writing and directing like that is that's God level stuff. Like I can't stand editing a three minute short, you know, uh, and he, he stepped in you guys should have just seen it.
Speaker 4:No, yeah, because I I directed a feature and I edited it and then finally like passed it off to somebody else for finishing touches. But it's hell, it's a brutal, brutal thing that is. It's so impressive, but it's also, I think, what it is is a director that knows that he runs in a genre space being like what can I do to cut, like, to cut, cost down? What can I do to be like I'll edit it myself? I'll do like. The fact that I thought these movies all had 10 million dollar budgets, which are already nothing, and then they had one million dollar budgets, is like it. So you've got like kid cuddy and mia goth out there, I'm sure like working for like sag scale, which is like 163 dollars, like it's crazy, um, but it's great. I mean, it's what any of us who aspire to make movies should be looking at and going, yep, that's the move, that's how you do it yeah that's.
Speaker 1:It's funny. You just mentioned, uh, the screen actors guild, because did you notice what mia was cutting up her last line of coke with? And, uh, maxine, was it her? Sag card it was her sag card after the film had already come out, um the puritan 2 or whatever, and I thought that was a really fun, subtle little way to be like. She made the film, she got her SAG card and guess what? Not much has changed.
Speaker 4:That's awesome, I really like. There's a subtle transition that somebody pointed out to me, where the first line of coke she does is with a rolled up $1 bill and the second one is with a rolled up $5 bill, and then the last one's with a rolled up $1 bill and the second one is with a rolled up $5 bill and then the last one's with a rolled up hundred and you're like she's made it. Yeah.
Speaker 3:She did it. That's amazing. I really want to see the Puritan I.
Speaker 4:I would watch that movie.
Speaker 3:in the movie I I had no idea it was a fake movie. I wrote, I wrote it down in my notes. I was like, look for this.
Speaker 4:You were like let's go Like, all right, that's a bummer.
Speaker 1:That's too funny. Ok, so any any last thoughts here on Maxine before we get you out of here, Matt.
Speaker 4:Maybe hear about you know what's coming up for you. Yeah, I, I think anybody who hasn't seen Maxine. Well, if you haven't seen Maxine, I hope you're selective about how much of the podcast you listen to, but definitely go to a theater see Maxine. Support our independent directors and these $5 million movies, because if we don't show up and support them, they're not going to exist anymore. And, uh, get out and watch some horror movies I love that great makes everybody's day better it does, it does max.
Speaker 1:Any last thoughts on uh maxine? Uh, yeah have you filed to put three x's at the end of your name? I'm'm thinking about it. I'm.
Speaker 3:I'm, I'm considering it, but I also thinking like, well, if I ever have a daughter, maybe I'll just name her Maxine and and you know we can we can pass the moniker on.
Speaker 4:Oh, there you go.
Speaker 1:Her first sentence is going to be I will not accept a life that I don't deserve, or however it goes.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or I'm, I'm a star.
Speaker 3:That's honestly. I will not accept a life.
Speaker 1:I do not deserve, but yeah, I want. I want Max to work on his Maxine Minx.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I was.
Speaker 3:That was what that was floated on. Silver screams too.
Speaker 1:It was unbelievable, unbelievable people.
Speaker 3:Screams too. It was Unbelievable Unbelievable people on these podcasts. But yeah, please go out and see Maxine and guess what? I'm converted that this is one of the best horror years we're going to have in a long time. So get ready for Long Legs and Alien. Romulus, it's happening.
Speaker 4:Alien's going to be so good. I'm a real if we're talking about a man who can match my freak. It's Fede Alvarez.
Speaker 3:Fede's a man. Just cover me in that Alien acid.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, oh, my God.
Speaker 4:This is like the last Fede Alvarez experience I had. Was like bringing a bunch of my friends together who hadn't seen the evil dead remake and being like I love this movie so much, it's amazing and it's so fun. And then watching it with them and being like wasn't it so fun? And they were like that was so deeply upsetting and I was like no, it's really fun, like it's just an exciting fun time, and they were like you need help and I was like no, it's really fun, like it's just an exciting fun time. And they were like you need help and I was like yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, I, I can't. I can't wait for for some of these other films that we've already mentioned. Is there, aside from, like, long legs, maybe alien romulus is is? Have you seen trailers for anything else that you're really looking forward to? Man, maybe in the horror genre, outside of it, because that's, I think, the horror genre is so strong. We've all recognized that, but there's some uncertainty still with, like, what's gonna end up being nominated the academy awards at the end of the year? Like, do you pay attention to some of that stuff?
Speaker 4:you know I I'm bad at that. Um, to be honest with you, I I'm. I watched the. I've watched the Oscars, probably the last four or five years, but it's not. It's not something I keep up on until like the end of the year when it's kind of become clear like what might go down and I'm like all right. But yeah, I don't know, it is a very weird year for For that kind of prestige movie. I don't know. I don't know what that looks like Megalopolis or Megalopolis is going to be amazing, insane, maybe unwatchable.
Speaker 4:Can't wait, yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:But yeah, it's just. There's so much good horror, I mean long legs, alien heretic not going to let it go. Looks so good. They made a second smile. So if you're into that, they've got that going. It's not quite my cup of tea.
Speaker 1:Have you seen the trailer for Cuckoo?
Speaker 4:I'm actually so excited for Cuckoo.
Speaker 3:I'm a big body horror person and it's like Cuckoo's got the body horror vibe thing going on we've also got a Cronenberg movie coming out the Shrouds, the Shrouds and then also the Substance which I think is going to be right up the body horror avenue as well.
Speaker 1:So there's just so much to be excited for it's going to be hard up the body horror avenue as well. So there's there's just so much to be excited for and like it's going to be hard not to just turn this into a horror podcast for the next five months of the year, especially for just like inside out to best picture, okay, whatever, like yeah, back to hard. Back to how hard alien romulus went. Like can we talk about it some more?
Speaker 4:yeah, oh sure, yeah was uh yeah best picture.
Speaker 1:But yeah, come on um nice, yeah all right, so so then, it is almost festival season, so do you have anything in the works here, anything that, uh, you'd like to plug, or where people can find you here in a couple of months.
Speaker 4:I have I can't plug anything officially yet Uh, I uh have a short film, uh called chicken boy, about uh farmer who accidentally creates a chicken human hybrid and then embraces it as his son. Uh, and it is uh hopefully at the start of what is going to be a very exciting festival run. Um, I'm very excited. It's uh truly like a deplorable little, disgusting film that I can't wait to force audiences full of people to watch and then have to stand in front of them uh afterwards while they go. What's your deal? Why did you do that?
Speaker 1:well, if I'm watching any of those q and a's. Now that I know this, I'll be sure to serve you up some softballs where you can just be like listen, man, this is what's up listeners.
Speaker 3:I've seen a screenshot of said chicken boy and it's glorious. Yeah, it's something else.
Speaker 4:None of you will know what I look like, but I am both the farmer and the chicken boy. It's a whole deal. But yeah, I've got that. I've got some other things in the works. I have a feature that's in post-production. I have a little sci-fi short called the Invasion that is finishing up the end of its festival run and will probably release online around the end of the year. You know, got some stuff coming up.
Speaker 1:So here's a question that I usually like to ask filmmakers at these film festivals. But since you kind of just brought it up, when you submit a film and then you start thinking about how it might get programmed at said film festival, so, like this film Chicken Boy, do you expect that this is going to be like in whatever late night block?
Speaker 4:you know the different chicken boy might have chicken boy especially. Um, I think is a real late night movie. Uh, and yeah, I think late night's kind of the wheelhouse that I work in I always say I want to gross people out and I want to make them laugh is kind of my, my two goals in this life. But yeah, it's. I think what I learned, what I've been learning, is that like I submitted to a lot of not genre oriented festivals for the invasion and didn't have like I had like a lower medium success, which is fine I'm happy with how the movie did. But this one I'm just like genre festival genre. Like I'm just like pitching it straight to the horror festivals and, you know, hoping it shakes out well you got that.
Speaker 1:It's all about having that vision right, just kind of knowing, knowing, uh, what league that it's going to play best in. So that's, I'm happy to hear that that chicken boy is going to be, hopefully, one for the sickos chicken boys, one for the sickos.
Speaker 4:I'm excited for you to see it, alex, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Um, okay, awesome, max, any. I feel like I should kick it. You to see it, alex. That's awesome. That's awesome. Um, okay, awesome, max, any. I feel like I should kick it over to you because I know you have um kind of some fun things coming up this weekend too as as a creative. So do you want to? You want to talk about that a little bit? How much can you share?
Speaker 3:uh, yeah, in front of the camera, people I'm yeah, I'm acting in something as a villainous role Excited for that, hopefully. I don't know if it'll, I don't know, I don't know what the director's going to do with it, but excited to do that. And then, yeah, I'm just working on. I'm working on a documentary about a local improv group. In fact, if you come to the live show tomorrow, you might be able to meet one of those uh improv uh people. So, um, yeah, I'm very excited about that. I was shooting some footage the other night of their uh teaching teaching improv class and it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:So they've got a live event coming up too when you've been studying lines have have you been bumping lines? Have you got your yellow highlighter out? Just like parchment paper yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, ceramic goose, mine's a ceramic moose. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:And uh, but yeah, yeah, no, totally, that's the. That's. The only way you can memorize is if, uh, you are, you're on that pure memorize is, if you are, you're on that pure, pure white cocaine.
Speaker 1:I think that's a good place to end it. So that's gonna do it for us this week. Join us next week as we will be celebrating the release of long legs in a review for that film, which could be kind of the central pillar. I feel like that holds up this fantastic summer of scares. Osgood perkins, huge fan of his matthew. Before we get you out of here, one last question have you seen the black coat's daughter?
Speaker 4:so I haven't, but I've seen his hansel and gretel movie okay, not, not quite as strong, but but daughter hidden gem alert yeah, I need to check it out. It's been on my radar, but I will say Hansel plus Gretel, not the best movie.
Speaker 1:We love big swings.
Speaker 4:We love big swings and we love things that look like hour and 27 minute long Marilyn Manson music videos like the art direction in. That is insane. But yes, the black coats daughter, I need to check it out, maybe see if I can fit it in before long legs.
Speaker 1:Very nice. Love to hear that listeners you as well, as you try to fit it in before you go out and see long legs this weekend. In the meantime, follow excuse the intermission on Instagram and the two of us, and maybe the three of us, on letterboxd.
Speaker 4:Matthew, yeah, and the two of us and maybe the three of us on Letterboxd Matthew, do you dabble? Oh, I dabble. Yeah, rushm15 is my Letterboxd handle.
Speaker 1:There it is Awesome, and then that way you can keep track of what we're watching between shows and projects, and we will talk to you next time on ETI, where movies still matter. Thank you.
