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NY Times Top 100 Films of the 21st Century feat. Filmmaker Kalee Quiñones
What defines the greatest films of our still-young century? When The New York Times published their reader-selected Top 100 Films of the 21st Century, we couldn't resist diving into this cultural touchstone that had over 200,000 cinephiles weighing in on what matters most in modern cinema.
With Bong Joon-ho's "Parasite" claiming the top spot and Christopher Nolan dominating with five entries (including both "Interstellar" and "The Dark Knight" in the top 10), the list reveals fascinating patterns about what resonates with today's audiences. We explore the international appeal of the selections, from "Spirited Away" at #8 to "In the Mood for Love" at #12, while questioning the noticeable absence of Black filmmakers like Spike Lee and the limited representation of female directors.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as we debate which films deserve higher placement (could "Portrait of a Lady on Fire" crack the top 10?), which should be removed entirely (does "Everything Everywhere All at Once" belong at #13?), and what crucial omissions we'd add to create a more representative canon. From questioning the recency bias that elevates new releases like "Oppenheimer" and "Dune Part Two" to lamenting the underrepresentation of horror and comedy, we offer our unfiltered takes on what this list gets right and wrong.
Whether you're a casual moviegoer or a dedicated cinephile, this episode provides both a roadmap for essential viewing and a framework for thinking critically about what makes a film truly stand the test of time. Join us for this passionate celebration and critique of the films that have defined our century so far – and let us know which rankings you'd fight to change!
How's it? I'm Alex McCauley and I'm Max Fosberg and this is, excuse the Intermission a discussion show surrounding your favorite films of the 21st century. Discussion show surrounding your favorite films of the 21st century. The New York Times recently published a reader's choice list of the best films from the years 2000 to 2025. And we have some thoughts, from snubs to surprises, from overrated to underrated. We will break down the entire rankings with help from Kaylee. So sit tight, our conversation begins on the other side of this break.
Speaker 2:This episode is presented in partnership with the Gig Harbor Film Festival. The Gig Harbor Film Festival will take place September 25th through the 28th in beautiful Gig Harbor.
Speaker 1:Washington, hosted at the Galaxy Uptown Theater, this year's festival will feature 90 wildly rich films from across an array of genres. The lineup includes filmmakers from 11 different countries, ranging from the United States and Canada to the Philippines and Vietnam.
Speaker 2:The opening night centerpiece is September 25th at 6.30 pm. The film is Bob Mackie Naked Illusion. We are excited to host Bob Mackie and producer Joe McFate for a Q&A session following the screening. There are 11 blocks total, including animation, washington-made short films and scintillating feature films. Our own Jeremy Kent Jackson, gig Harbor resident actor and Gig Harbor Film Festival board member, will be featured in Gunslingers, which is screening Saturday night, also starring Nicolas Cage, stephen Dorff and Heather Graham.
Speaker 1:This year's attendees will enjoy exclusive premiere screenings, q&a sessions following the film blocks and, for VIP pass holders, an all-immersive, all-access experience, including parties and events throughout the four days. Digital programs are available now via the Film Festival's website and for more information on scheduling, vip passes and general admission tickets, please head over to wwwgigharborfilmorg, and you can also follow the festival on Instagram at Gigharborfilm. All right, max, kaylee, how are the two of you doing today? Kaylee, welcome back. Always great to have you on the show.
Speaker 3:Thank you, happy to be here, love hanging out with you guys and chatting about movies. It's the best.
Speaker 1:Well, before we get into the New York Times rankings list, let's dive into some of your recent activities down there in LA. You guys went and saw two movies here this past weekend that I know you want to discuss a little bit. So, without further ado, let's just dive right into that and then we can get into the list, because I think that that might take up a lot of airway later.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm so excited. It was actually really fun. I got kind of stressed out this morning Like, oh my God, I had to figure out my feelings about this list, because it's like it's a list and you're like I have feelings but I'd like go through it. But then I was like, okay, stay calm, just get on letterboxd. Letterboxd is very helpful, like start looking through stuff, um. But anyway, so getting into, we went to double feature on friday. I would work at vidiots. I just got a part-time job as booth coordinator at vidiots, um, and so I was at work till seven and like literally we got off and I was like let's go to glendale lemley, which is like close to where I work, and we just like hopped into together at 7 30, went to sorry baby, at 10 30, um, and yeah, I mean I think it goes to show for me like if a late, if I stay awake through a late show, the movie is good, like that is like one of my.
Speaker 3:I was like at first. I got really worried after together, because together is not as good. It's like it's just a movie, like it's a silly movie, but it's and that's my take at least and so when we got through together I was like shit, we should have done this one second. I would not have been that mad if I fell asleep during this one.
Speaker 2:But yeah, let's, let's, let's talk about together first, since we saw that one first together is um, the new uh horror movie, body horror movie starring dave franco and allison brie. Um, it's also got a lot of controversy around it, not for what's on the screen, but the script, the idea. Uh, there's I believe there's a lawsuit going on that this idea was was stolen from from another writer, um, who had shown apparently dave franco the, the script that he wrote um and like specific pieces of that script can be found in this movie. I haven't read that script so I I don't know exactly the details there and that was to be a short film.
Speaker 1:Am I remembering that correctly? That sounds right, because someone did say this.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure that the lawsuit maybe it's not over, but that they've kind of decided that it really isn't copied. It's not copied, it's like the idea is somewhat there in the original and it sounds right the short thing. I'm not 100% sure, but yeah, I think that there is like enough of a difference that people were like okay, we don't need to attack them about the script, let's go watch the movie and see what we think. But yeah, it is like interesting though, there was all that drama.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so together. You know it's about a couple who move to the countryside from the big city. Um, they are living in an like an isolated house in the woods. They go on a hike they find a cave dave franco is a hipster musician.
Speaker 3:He wears like a king gizzard shirt.
Speaker 2:Through the first act he's and in that cave there is I guess you would call it not demonic, but like some sort of Possession yeah, possession that gets on to Dave Franco's character and he becomes his body, becomes obsessively attached to Alison Brie, uh, like to the point where, like, he can't be too far away from her, um, and so then they have to figure out what. What's going on. And it's real that there's, you know some nefarious things going on in this town. There's, you know, some nefarious things going on in this town.
Speaker 3:I feel like it also gives it some credit. Sorry to interrupt you, but like gives it some credit that as I hear you telling this, I want to tell more stuff. Right, it does have like a lot of fun like details to it.
Speaker 2:Like his background is really interesting and like kind of their conflict it's a mystery to kind of figure out throughout the movie. But I will say that, like the first I don't know how I felt about it is that Dave Franco, when he tries to be serious and he's not being like in high school or you know the best friend and neighbors, when he is center of the screen trying to be a serious actor.
Speaker 3:I just think he's really, really bad. I feel like he's inexperienced. I think that that's the vibe I was getting from him.
Speaker 2:I was telling max that he does this actor thing that I learned from being in acting school, like, like he sighs a lot like, which is very much like or like he has these like kind of like actor quirks, that he kind of comes out that show himself and not the character yeah, when he's not doing comedy, I guess I would say, uh, he's just, he's very overacting, um, and so I found the first two acts of this movie pretty, pretty rough and the writing was weird.
Speaker 3:I was also feeling for them both like I think with her and like her and like kind of the the other teacher, like that scene really rubbed me wrong. It's just like it's just like a lot of the scenes just have kind of clunky, cliche dialogue and I felt like that wasn't really helping anybody with performance yeah.
Speaker 2:However, I will say the third act, I think, turns, turns it up a little bit and like, is actually pretty entertaining.
Speaker 2:Now, kaylee and I were definitely laughing through it's funny, it's really really funny I don't know if that was the intent, I don't think it was, but um, but yeah. So, uh, I would I a movie that I was like, really excited for, because it, you know, it's one of these movies that got a lot of festival buzz. You know a lot of people were saying like, oh, the best body horror in years and, and you know the, you're one of the best horror movies of the year and unfortunately for me, it was it was not that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you. I was not that great, but it was entertaining towards the end. I think if they could have just spruced up some of the stuff in the beginning, I think it could have been a good movie. The ending is really fun.
Speaker 1:Do you think the film benefits or do you not notice?
Speaker 2:it.
Speaker 1:Or does it?
Speaker 2:perhaps suffer from Dave Franco and Alison Brie being a real life couple off screen, or do you think some of that is sort of baked into it and part of the fun? I I think it's part.
Speaker 2:You can tell there they are having fun okay yeah, definitely and I think that's a little bit of the charm of of the film. But like I don't know, alice and brie, you know, has been a, this is going to sound so derogatory, but she's been a TV actor for all of her life, right, like? What other movies has she shown up in?
Speaker 3:It felt very much like them both, like taking an opportunity of like I finally get to be the star, Like I finally get to be right. Is that? Kind of what you mean. Yeah, for both of them, because Dave Franco hasn't really had a leading role either.
Speaker 1:Yeah For both of them, cause Dave Franco hasn't really had a leading role either. Yeah, about a group of friends that go to like an Airbnb, and it's kind of like I thought we might start to get a lot of these, but sort of like the VRBO gone wrong, where like are there cameras in this house what's going on.
Speaker 1:That's a fun little thriller. So I think there's something to you know. I mean, we've seen this in Hollywood for decades and decades and decades where you know husband and wife, any sort of domestic partnership, and someone's behind the camera and someone's in front of the camera and, um, you're directing, you're directing your partner, and I think it can work. And so I'm not, even though I haven't seen the film yet, even though, um, the two of you aren't necessarily raving about it, I'm not ready to, like, sell my stock yet.
Speaker 1:And dave franco as perhaps like a really good behind the scenes person, and then allison brie can sort of start to become maybe his muse, um, because I'm pretty sure franco also he was a producer on zola, a film that I'm actually going to bring up here later in this episode like, yeah, franco, and and for reasons that we don't need to get into here on, uh, this podcast has, I think, kind of came out of the shadows of his older brother, um, and that's really good for a lot of different reasons, and so he's somebody that I'm still very interested in, like the choices that they just totally agree.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that Cause I think the film deserves that. I feel like it. Like I said, it felt like very much like a debut. It felt like a debut and it was like well done and like the. Yeah, it had some clunky moments, but like I think that, considering it's like new territory for both of them, I thought that it was. It was good enough, good enough and it was fun. I think you might really enjoy it. You might enjoy it a little more than we did, because you're really unexpected.
Speaker 2:We were two of what? Six people in the theater?
Speaker 3:oh, that is surprising yeah, so it would have been really cool with more people.
Speaker 2:I agree, I was thinking and granted, we went to what was the theater called again the lemley in glendale which is a smaller independent theater here in la.
Speaker 2:So maybe that's why, like I wonder, you know we were right across the street from a look dine-in cinema. I wonder if we went there to see it if there was, if it was a full crowd, maybe, maybe, yeah, more enjoyable, um, okay, second movie we saw sorry, baby, I'll come. This has cracked my top five of the year, one of my favorite films that I've seen. This is a I guess you could call it a dramedy from Eva Victor, who writes, directs and stars in this film and someone I had not been familiar with. I guess she played a role on the show billions um in the past. But uh, she is. This movie is really well made. It is very patient. It's beautiful writing For a drama or dramedy. It has great tension in it. It has great heart. I think I wrote, I laughed, I cried, I was depressed, I was hopeful. Um, I, I love, love this film and, uh, I have, as also I said in my letterboxd uh review, I have purchased season tickets, uh, for eva victor love that so sweet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was amazing. It was really good. I think that, um, the like the story itself is I think I said this in my letterboxd review. We're here to help, we're letterboxd reviews to everybody. Here we are um, the like thing I was thinking of is like this it's like the substance of the content and like what it is about is really powerful and really intense.
Speaker 3:Um, but like just the filmmaking itself, it is so cinematic, like the way she thinks is so cinematic and the way she directed this, and like there are just scenes that are just, and I feel like this is what cinema is, where you're like, oh, wow, you are capturing the feeling of what this is. You are not just replaying a story in your head, you are figuring out a metaphorical way to heighten this experience and let us be part of that experience. I think she did a great job with that and also I wanted to say that, like just following this main character, agnes, is just such a joy, like she is, you know, going through a lot of shit, but she's so real. Like she feels like one of my friends, like I felt, like the way she wrote and, of course, it's also a story about best friends and so it's like you know, as a woman who has had many beautiful female relationships, I felt like it was just so beautiful to see that on screen and just their candidness with each other and the way their relationship plays into the bigger plot.
Speaker 3:Um so, yeah, yeah, sorry, baby's. Amazing, nothing happens to the cat. That's my, my announcement go see it.
Speaker 2:Nothing happens to the cat the cat doesn't die nothing happens to the cat.
Speaker 3:Rivers were coming down my face when that cat first comes on screen yeah, and I think that's with the cat scene of like this film is so as a writer, like it's so good at like lowest point to highest point, like it really like pulls your heartstrings by just highs to lows and doing so well executed?
Speaker 1:no, not at all, it's just doing. It so well executed? No, not at all.
Speaker 3:It's just like these, perfectly well executed like well, because that's the beauty of life. One of my therapists once said to me you know, whenever I get really down, I start like in a jokingly way, saying to myself like something good is going to happen to you. You can't stop it. You know, and I think that that's the beauty of scenes like that, where it's like you get to this low point and then there's always the silver lining. There's something really beautiful that happens and, um, yeah, just so cool, such a like inspiring as a filmmaker, just such an inspiring film to watch, because you're just like, oh, wow, you can do anything with a story like because the story is kind of just a very dark, serious story, but there's all these things you can do with it and I just thought, like it, it pulled the story off the page in such an exciting way. So that's it. That's our thoughts on our movies that's awesome.
Speaker 3:Um, I'm trying to wait for you to see them so we can talk to you about them more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm trying to look up to see how many screens screens um, sorry, baby is playing on right now, um, and it looks like it came out the weekend, f1 came out, so oh yeah, june 27th yeah yeah, so limited, and I think it was limited then, so I'm sure it's in even less theaters now yeah, I think it got distribution though, so it'll be streaming soon enough, I think also.
Speaker 3:But I was wishing there was a weird feeling, because I think it got distribution though, so it'll be streaming soon enough, I think also. But I was wishing there was a weird feeling, because I think because lemley lemley makes me miss the grand, because lemley is like the smaller theater, um, I do know it's playing at the grand right now.
Speaker 1:Yes, go to the grand.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was really wishing I was at the grand when I was watching. Sorry, baby, I was like this feels um, and we also had a classic indie cinema. Like there was a a ceiling leak or a water leak in the theater so we couldn't sit where we wanted to sit. I was like this is cute, I love this um and you're right, yeah, 824 has picked up distribution rights.
Speaker 1:Yeah, great, pretty cool, okay. So we are here today to talk about the new york times top 100 movies list of the 21st century. Now, if you're going to follow along and or play along at home, there are two different lists, and that is an important distinction. So is there's a critics list out there which was, uh, comprised of over I believe it was like 500, um, actors, filmmakers, critics, folks that were pulled to contribute to um, the, the official list, we'll call it, and so that's not the one that we are going. Industry pros, I'm reading, is what they call it to reflect on films released since January 1st 2000. And so that's not the list we will be pulling from today.
Speaker 1:The list that we want to analyze is the reader's choice list of the New York times top 100 movies of the 21st century, of the New York Times top 100 movies of the 21st century. Over 200,000 readers voted on this list that we will be analyzing, and so Max and I went back and forth a little bit and we decided that this is a better reflection of the kind of content, the kind of movies that we wanna be talking about on a daily basis. We can still do a little like compare and contrasting, like I have some notes here of what a few of the key differences are. Encouragingly enough, though, there aren't too many big ones, and so I don't know if you want to speak to that, max, like in this world where everyone does have a Letterboxd account and views themselves as a critic. It is kind of nice to see that there is less parody amongst the trained professionals versus someone that can just watch a lot of movies. So what do you think about that?
Speaker 2:to begin with, Well, yeah, I think, first off, a part two, diving into the critics list to this episode, I think is probably something that will definitely happen here down the road. Um, I, I, I was of the mindset that, like this should be, this is almost the more important list because this is showing what the paying audience you know is responding to, and and I, when I say important, it should be important to like studio execs right, like this should show you make more movies like this list.
Speaker 3:Get out of all this crap.
Speaker 2:There's some stuff on here that, like you, wouldn't almost expect to be on here from from the general movie goer. Um, now, granted, as alex did say, we we do live in a letterbox world which I think has really, like, just heightened the level of of the average movie goer to to be more, uh, cinephile or more thoughtful. So, yeah, it's a philodelic or I don't know philodic, I love it.
Speaker 2:Um so, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm excited to dive into those lists. There's, of course, there's problems with it, uh, as there's going to be with any list, but that's why we love a list.
Speaker 3:I don't feel like there's problems with it. I think it's just made by a person, it's not made by a robot. Happily, I'm really glad it's not made by a robot and therefore this person is not going to have the exact same or this. I mean all these people, right, Even like 200,000 people. I think this group in particular, especially Alex, like we're not going to have the same opinion as the average person or like that net number.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, one other thing you know as if you're an industry professional when we talk about that list, you just have more of an opportunity to see more films, lesser known films you have more of an opportunity right about. And the other list you know the movie fish tank is on there and like you know how you know available is that film I love that you bring up the accessibility.
Speaker 3:I have to interrupt because one of my answers to one of our questions for today is I would just remove any of the films I haven't seen, which is pretty much what max is saying on this. Like I haven't seen that film, so why is it on the other list?
Speaker 2:and like granted, I'm sure you can go find it.
Speaker 3:It's a funny one to use for your point. But I do agree with your accessibility point. Like that they go to movies for free, things like that. I think that that is like a big thing with the movie theater falling. The movie theater business falling apart right now is it's expensive to go to the movies. Like I feel so like guilty how much we spend doing it, like I'm so glad we're supporting cinema, but it's just like it's expensive to go to the movies and I think that's why people don't go and capitalism is frustrating that way, because it has to be that price for the theaters to stay alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think by looking at the reader's choice list we get a better sense and you've both said this but of what movies have endured over the last 25 years, and that's something that the industry pros and actors and filmmakers may not have as good a sense of to the algorithm that is, you know, people reviewing their Blu-rays and people recommending top five underseen crime thrillers to you, like you're going to know about a lot of these movies and and I think that that's great because you know you can look I love the feature on Letterboxd where you can go and you can see popular this week and you go down to like the thirties and the forties, and it's a lot of the movies that are on this list and there's no good reason why they should still be prominent, but they have just stood the test of time and I think that that's a really good measuring stick for a film's longevity and it can go both ways, right, because some of those movies are of the blockbuster and franchise brand. It just it is what it is, and so I you know the reader's choice list has a few more of those kinds of films, as opposed to the critics and the industry version, because I do think that they are a little bit more niche with their selections, but I think both lists do have a good representation of arthouse films and auteur filmmakers, and there actually is a good representation of arthouse films and auteur filmmakers and there actually is a good balance between both lists when it comes to genre films, and so there's a lot that we can get into as far as like themes that we like, themes that we wish we could see more of, but but for the most part, it's just I mean, you both said it too like we love a list and I love that this isn't a list that we're making. We just get to react to this, because not that I want to be aggressive or accusatory to either one of these, but I do think that it's fun, it's validating. It can be a little bit like upsetting when you see something as high as maybe top five or top 10 that you don't necessarily agree with, but then it just asks you.
Speaker 1:Like Kaylee, you were saying, like I got to get my notes together, I was working on my notes. I was like I need to be able to articulate why I feel this way about some of these things. So we love a list. This is a big list. We have about six to eight questions here that will kind of help us work through it and hopefully touch on most of the titles here. We're not just going to go through one, through 100 and talk about every movie, um so so we all have a copy here. Kaylee, I'll start with you thematically looking at the reader's choice top 100 list. What was something that you were there was was a happy takeaway for you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I think it's like a solid list. You know, there were like some like you. I like what you pointed out, like the indie versus more mainstream stuff, like there is a lot of like I guess. Yeah, there's some, there's some indie surprises like some little like more niche surprises in it, a few. It's really funny because when I first wrote my note I was like I'm glad Avengers isn't on there and then I went down to the bottom I was like oh, just kidding, it's at the end, avengers is at the end. But yeah, like mostly you wouldn't expect that it doesn't really fit into this list. Like it's kind of surprising that they tacked it on to the end. So yeah, I think it's a very like heartfelt list We'll get into. Like what I'm happy about and unhappy about is like it's very much like a sad girl, sad boy list, which is what I'm all about.
Speaker 2:Um, but interesting that there's, like you know, only a handful of like really joyful films in here that made it. Yeah, uh, I think my biggest takeaway that I'm happy about is that there are only three superhero movies on this list, uh, which is the dark knight, uh in uh, spider-man into the spider-verse and avengers endgame. Um, you know, in in the 21st century, where it the movie culture can be defined by capes and cowls, um, you know, those are the biggest movies, uh, in the theaters year to year. Now, granted, hopefully that's changing, but at least for the first 25 years, um, that that has been the case, uh, so I'm happy that, like you know, you know, sam Raimi's Spider-Man two isn't on here, right, cause people look at that with rose colored glasses. Or the first, yeah, the first Iron man, which started the Marvel boom, or the fact that, yeah, I mean they're, you know, winter Soldier, captain America, winter Soldier is always held up on a podium when it comes to superhero movies.
Speaker 1:So I'm glad that only three movies are about superheroes and I think that's really encouraging coming from the reader's choice list. I would expect that from the critics list, but to see that here on our list that we're talking about today is great, uh, something that I'm well to sort of dovetail on that it's. It's different, but the same um. This is not my, my main point, but I do also want to bring up um that something. Something I was happy with on this list was that there was a lot of um, there was the inclusion of, or I should say the exclusion of, a lot of other notable franchises, and so there's no mission impossible movie, there's no jason bourne movie, there's no john wick movie, there's no james bond movie and there's no pirates of the movie.
Speaker 1:There's no John Wick movie, there's no James Bond movie and there's no Pirates of the Caribbean movie on this list, either Now I think that there's some great movies and you could almost pull maybe one from each of those franchises and say, like the first, john Wick should have been on there, skyfall could have been on there, fallout could have been on there. However, they were excluded and I'm totally okay with that. The biggest thing that I'm happy with was the international appeal of this list and looking through it, so you have films like Spirited Away is in the top 10, at number eight. In the Mood for Love Not my favorite Wong Kar Wai film, but it's number 12. Portrait of a Lady on Fire 26. City of God 37. Old Boy Once again not of a lady on fire 26. City of god 37. Old boy once again not my favorite park chan wook film, but it's top 40.
Speaker 1:Amelie 46 you too, mama tombien 55. The handmaiden 67. Worst person in the world 76. Crouching tiger, hidden dragon 81. Drive my car 89. And then how's moving castle sneaks in at 96. Now, I'm like the world's biggest how's moving castle Castle fan. So I was really really happy to see that there's the top international filmmakers on this list, but that was really cool to see that there was at least a dozen international entries.
Speaker 1:Love that a dozen international entries. Love that, um. So then, something that maybe we were less happy about as far as the list construction um, do you have, do you?
Speaker 3:have a different one for this one. Yeah, I was. Um, my big thing was that there's no spike lee. There's no spike lee in here. Um, I was surprised by that, I think, if I'm pretty sure yeah um, you know, I think like black Klansman could have been on here.
Speaker 3:I mean, it would be very much like a pull like his better films it's not his best film, but it's like it would be kind of a shoe in but like it's more black stories, like there's only three on here. There's Django, get out and moonlight, which are great films like oh wow, like it's interesting to see that there's only three black stories on the top 100. Um, an unfortunate observation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think I think that also kind of talks, you know, touches on like what? What kind of list? This should be right because, like it, it should be celebrating like the most important filmmakers that are making films. But then, yeah, if, if black Klansman, if you don't think black Klansman is better than you know, something crazy like knives out, like are you going to be able to be objective and be like no, we need a Spike Lee movie on this list? And I think that's some of the some of the bad things about doing a reader's choice like maybe some people aren't thinking, you know, galaxy brain, like that yeah because, like on the critics list, something like black panther, which goes against what we were just talking about with franchises and superheroes.
Speaker 1:But you look at ryan coogler and everything that that movie meant culturally. I think black panther should 100, be in this top 100 yeah you said it is on the critics one it is
Speaker 2:okay, cool yeah uh, something I wasn't happy with was the recency bias, and Sinners is another black story that is on.
Speaker 3:Oh, it is on here.
Speaker 2:Yeah at 52. Sinners that is recency.
Speaker 3:That's wild.
Speaker 2:The zone of interest, the Dune movies, I feel like a movie needs at least three to five years to really breathe and to be considered one of the greatest. So as much as I love Sinners, favorite movie of 2025 so far, I just don't know if it belongs on the list quite yet. If we're doing this list in 2030, then absolutely Sinners is going to be on the list quite yet. You know, if we're doing this list in 20, 20, 30, then absolutely sinners is going to be on this list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I tagged a couple of others. Everything, everywhere all at once is number 13. Oppenheimer is 22. The first uh entry of a dune film is dune part two at 27, after sun, 35. And again, some of these are really solid movies but 35 seems very high barbie's at 84, mavericks at 88 and killers of the flower moon is at 93 yeah, lots of really new ones, definitely yeah um, I I, so I had a few notes on that.
Speaker 1:I also agree with you, kaylee, that more women directors, more ipoc directors, are very underrepresented on this list. A few titles that I wrote down that I think we could have had room for were Promising Young Woman, the Hurt Locker, 12 Years a Slave, roma, the Substance Raw or T-Tan Take your Pick from Julia Ducarnu and then A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night. I think there there's there's room for all of those films on the list, and then A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night kind of transitions into my other thing that there's just a big lack of horror on on this list as well. There is good genre representation as far as sci-fi goes, but I would have loved to have seen one of these following films along with a girl walks home alone at night. But the witch prometheus, luca guadagnino's suspiria remake under the skin from jonathan glazer. Put that in.
Speaker 1:Take zone of interest out yes and the killing of a sacred deer, and so there's, there's, there's good. Genreation could still be better, 100%. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with that. Okay, and so then this is kind of a fun one. Just a surprise that the two of you saw on the list Could be good, could be bad. What was something that you saw that caused a double take?
Speaker 3:One for me that I wanted to bring up was ye, because we all three said we hadn't seen it. So none of us have seen it, so we can't much talk about it. But one of my friends has told me like this is one of his favorite films. Ethan, seattle Film Society guy shout out to Ethan, he's great. But yeah, I, he said it was on his top four letterbox and like I don't know, I just kind of was like oh okay, like I just didn't realize it was like this legendary, like to me it's on a ton of top tens yeah, so I just like.
Speaker 3:So that was kind of a surprise when I was kind of like off my radar that now I'm is far further up on my list of like I need to watch that yeah, uh.
Speaker 2:Well, as I said, at number 91 knives out. Uh, I mean, I, I'm just what. What are we doing here? Like I, I understand, I like a good caper, but like that movie is not not one of the best 100 movies we've had in the last 25.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen it. Best is such a loose definition. It doesn't matter how you're defining the word. Best Knives Out doesn't fit. Yeah, respectfully.
Speaker 2:Really surprised by number 66. Respectfully, um, really surprised by number 66. Oh brother, we're out thou, a movie I really love and cherish from the coen brothers. But like every time I've had a conversation with a you know, a coen fan, like, oh brother, we're out thou is is like middle of the pack to to bottom of the pack. Um, so really surprised that's on there, uh.
Speaker 3:And then number 13 I disagree with you, but I get what you're saying yeah, I'm just surprised it's on there. I'm it's kind of a happy it's just so well made like other films, of course you do, but still it's like to me, like as a spectacle, like what they were able to do with it is so impressive it's not even the best, you know, I mean, obviously we have no country for old men, um, but a serious man, I think, is better than that.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, I mean, obviously we have no country for old men, um, but a serious man, I think is better than that. Um, you know, I uh inside, I think inside, lewin davis is on this lower, yeah, but it should be higher than my brother rob.
Speaker 2:now, um, probably, and then, and then number 13, which we also touched on, everything everywhere all at once. We've talked about this movie at length, but like it is not in the top 15. You know, I could see it in the lower half of the, you know, under 50 or somewhere in there, but like to put it in the top 15 is is that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I'm still going to talk about it later, so I'm just not going to. I've been up on this soapbox for a long time, and so I'm just going to hold my tongue here for a minute and talk about a happy surprise.
Speaker 1:Listen, this also made the critics list. It was actually number 100 on the critics list, so it barely snuck in, but on the listeners or, excuse me, the readers list. So it barely snuck in, but on the listeners, um, or, excuse me, the readers list, it almost performed twice as well.
Speaker 1:Super bad at 53 is like the coolest thing ever to see. It's really like it's really the one true comedy on this list and you want to talk about like a pillar that represents a moment in history, and I think that that's obviously what this list is trying to do, and the fact that this is the movie that has has become the beacon for that like late 2000s are rated comedy boom, just like it's so great to see that it's not, with all due respect, a Will Ferrell movie. It's not something like super bad or, excuse me, something like, um, stepbrothers or anchorman, um, that that, I feel like, is just like less clever. You know, I think that super bad is so clever and so well-written and directed in a really fun way. The performances are obviously great, and so I love to see super bad almost crack the top 50 here, and so that that was awesome.
Speaker 2:That's a good one. Comedy, another genre that I think is like woefully underrepresented. Agreed yeah.
Speaker 3:Now I want stepbrothers to be on here, now that you brought that up.
Speaker 1:I'm honestly surprised that that you know more comedies from that era didn't make it on at least the readers. Yes, I'm sure they were close, like if we got to see a top 125. I bet we see things yeah stepbrothers we're talladega nights.
Speaker 3:Talladega nights is close to my heart. Yeah, hangover was a great one. Great hangover nights is close to my heart. Yeah, hangover was a great one. Great hangover is also just so well made too. Hangover is crazy, like what they do with that one uh, okay.
Speaker 1:So then three movies that we we like to see. Um, we're happy that made the list, but that maybe we would move down a little bit here. Um, I'll go. I'll go first on this one because I I have to talk about interstellar and the christopher nolan bias here what I. So interstellar clocks in at number five overall, and that is after we already have the dark knight at six, and so nolan goes back to back in the top 10 with interstellar at five, the dark knight at six.
Speaker 1:I'm much more okay with the back to back in the top 10 with Interstellar at five, the Dark Knight at six. I'm much more OK with the Dark Knight being in the top 10 because of the understanding for what that did, not only for his career, for superhero movies, I think. Like this this air quotes prestige superhero movie that I think so many different filmmakers have been trying to chase since that moment. You know we've talked about this, many people have talked about this movie before where it's basically like it's heat as a superhero movie, it's a Michael Mann movie, it's a it's a heist film as a superhero movie, it's all these different things. So the Dark Knight deserving, I think, of a top 10 spot. Let's take Interstellar out of the top five and let's move that into, like, the 20s. And then what we can do by putting interstellar in the 20s is also move back oppenheimer and inception, which are back to back at 23 and 24 yeah I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm okay, like getting those out of the top 50 into the top 75 and potentially, you know, because then once you get back into that, that second half of the list, things like the prestige and memento are already there and so just like disperse the chris, the love for christopher nolan a little bit and and not have the top of this list. So nolan heavy, so interstellar would be my first one. How do you guys feel about that, that move?
Speaker 3:I'm so with you because my thing with interstellar just because I just saw space odyssey on 70 millimeter not to brag but um, I saw that it was amazing and like there's like literally like five scenes just pulled from space odyssey in interstellar like interstellar is great, but it's just like a space movie it's great, but it's just like doing the space movie thing and matthew mcconaughey and jessica chastain have like great chemistry and like there's a great, there's great moments in that film. But yeah, I just don't think that it should be up there. And I also, yeah, just like I love your whole nolan bias. It's very much the recency bias issue, right it's like yeah, yeah, nolan leads filmmakers.
Speaker 2:Uh, I believe on this list with with five, five films which I think we just all listed.
Speaker 2:Um, it's funny because the movie, the first movie I want to move back is the dark knight okay I'm much more I'm not with you on that um and uh, really love, you know, the complexity and the deepness, and I think that's when that's a movie that you know Nolan's always trying to, like you know, prove that he's deep and and thoughtful. But I feel like interstellar is one that really captures me when I watch it, and and so I would move the dark night, which I a movie I love, but like I don't know, in in recent years, you know, I I feel like it has, you know, hasn't had such a lasting power on me, so I would move that down to, like the thirties.
Speaker 3:Marcus is going to be so mad at you. Marcus Baker, who is a frequent collaborator on ETI, is going to be so mad at you. I have a lot more of these. So, like there's a lot, I want to move down but I'm really going to do a few. But I thought that also the Social Network was like everyone's saying, it's like the best, best movie. Social Network is 10. It's a great movie. I love Social Network.
Speaker 3:Obviously, I think we can say unsaid. We all love all of these movies. We have no like full on dislike of any of these movies, but I felt like that one specifically also just the topic Once again. So recency, right. What feels good about that movie is the fact that facebook has been the bane of our existence since we were 14 years old, depending what generation you are, um, and also just like and this is also one of my weird movie problems where movies that just I don't like the world and the people in it sometimes just makes me decide I don't think it's as deserving of love. But yeah, I just like the whole ivy league world, like I don't know. I just think that movie's a little overrated.
Speaker 2:But it's not like the real world that is very true. That is way too accurate uh uh, the other well uh, I little miss sunshine. I thought could have been moved down. It's at 42 right now I think, up. It's a beautiful movie, it's really nice, it's really great.
Speaker 3:When's the last time you were like I'm gonna fire up a little, miss sunshine I have the script, I own the script and also I think that, like I always say, it's the best filmmakers can capture joy. I think that if you can capture joy on film, that to me is like the ultimate challenge and the ultimate it's fine to be on this list.
Speaker 1:I just don't think it it's deserving of number 42 is my, I'm okay with that moving it back, but keeping it yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Put it somewhere in the 60s or 70s um because, again, great movie, fantastic film gave us. You know, I think it. That was the first time paulo came into my life. So yeah, I think, if we move that, this list, but a top 35 movie, spider-man Into the Spider-Verse I understand that animation was groundbreaking at the time and we can keep it on the list, but I don't think it needs to be in the top 50.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to mention one more.
Speaker 1:I have two more as well, so go ahead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, quickly, I was going to say so, love, I have two more as well. Yeah, quickly, I was going to say so, love. Mulholland drive, one of my favorite movies, goes to my top four in letterbox all the time. It's my favorite movies. But I was surprised that it got at two. I was not. I'm not even going to say that it should be moved down, I'm fine with it being at two. But I was really surprisedize something as having experimental elements or like just because it doesn't, you know, non-linear, or all these different things. But I was surprised moholan drive was that far up on the um, on the what's let's, let's call it again the reader's choice reader's choice.
Speaker 3:I was also top it's like top five and critics as well, though, so that's one of the like consensus but also felt like recency or like rest in, like I'm really sad that David Lynch passed away but like as maybe that one up a little higher because of some of those emotions right now, but that movie is great and deserving anywhere on this list to be on the list, but yeah you are the therapist for all movie watchers Wait why, are emotions a little heightened right now.
Speaker 1:That's true so the other two that I'm fine with being on the list but that I would like to move, uh, uh. The first one is the royal tenenbaums at number 28. I would. I think this movie belongs more in this 70s to 80s range. When you look at the films that are down there, I think it fits in much. I think it fits in a lot better with movies in that range like the Florida Project and Boyhood and the worst person in the world, like that feels like where Tenenbaums should be, and that's also because you have the Grand Budapest Hotel at 22. So I just I know that that's really when Wes was cooking, but do we need two Wes Anderson movies that close together in the top 30? For me the answer is no.
Speaker 1:And then the other one is Pride and Prejudice, which I almost put into my surprise category as the Joe Wright film that made this list and not Atonement. That was really surprising to me, and so I'm fine. Keeping pride and prejudice on the list is almost like a two for one there, but I don't think it should be 50. I think that should be closer to the 80s and 90s range with with movies that kind of feel a little bit more gimmicky that have made it in there. You know, that's like where Barbie is, that's where Up is, that's where, with all due respect, top Gun, maverick and Dune Part One and Bridesmaids are like. That's where I think Pride and Prejudice should go. And so happy that it's on the list. Don't think it needs to be top 50, however.
Speaker 3:But I just think like it's something interesting about deciding that the not serious films and that's not not to say that's exactly what you're saying, but like I feel like I'm getting a slip from max too, of like if it's not serious, it deserves to be lower and in a group with other not serious I'm prejudiced is very serious is very serious, but it's something else yeah, okay, and so then the next one is three movies that we would keep on the list but that we would like to move up, and so, uh, what do you guys have for this?
Speaker 3:the order is so weird, like sorry, as we go, coming out of the question, we just did like, yeah, what would we move down? The order is so, so weird. Overall, this whole order, I think I would move it around completely, just saying but yes, just saying that, and then you guys can go on which ones you want to move up.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean just just while it's kind of like the topic of discussion here, I have a very quote, unquote, unserious movie that I would love to move up more. So not to contradict exactly what you're saying, kaylee, but I think that there's. It can be both things at once, because Mean Girls at 82 deserves to be top 50.
Speaker 1:I've been saying this ever since we've had this platform really on the podcast, that I think Mean Girls is a perfect movie. I think Mean Girls fits perfectly into like the 40 to 50 range with something like Little Miss Sunshine or WALL-E or Amelie or Past Lives, like I would put it above almost all of those films. And so, although it's not necessarily the first film that people think of when a best of the 21st century discussion happens, I think that Mean Girls definitely needs more recognition and a higher ranking than 82. So that's the first one I'll throw out there.
Speaker 3:I'll put out a solid, actual answer rather than just losing my mind. Portrait of a Lady on Fire I would move up to 10. I think it's better at Social Network. I think Portrait of a Lady on Fire like huge, like bringing queer cinema to the mainstream and in a new. I mean I think there's been many films that have kind of re brought it to the main scene, but I think that one, um, is just also just like cinematic at such an intense level and um, just the way it emotes, is to me like really high up on the list if I'm taking the dark knight out of number six, I got to get this laugh a minute movie into the top 10, and that's children of men, yeah we're doing 21, 21.
Speaker 2:That is so with you.
Speaker 3:That movie is just grows every day, like that movie needs to be, just grows every day like that movie needs to be, uh, at least within the top 10, if not the top five.
Speaker 1:It's brilliant and like the commentary and the color grade and like just everything about that film is so fucking dope yeah uh, the next movie that I would love to move up is one that I'm so happy that I get to move it up and not add it to the list because it barely snuck in at number 99. But give me Midsommar in that same range for like 40 to 50. So let's take that out of like being a bubble film and put that up there just behind or right there with maybe something like Zodiac or Kill Bill, volume 1, memories of Murder, phantom Thread. These are other movies that are in the 40 to 50 range that I think you can make the argument for this movie being just as important and also like Well Done. Every time we talk about Midsommar we talk about what just a A plus exercise in craft it is and really launches a career of someone like florence. Pew proves that ari aster was not just a one-hit wonder with something like hereditary and so happy that it's on the list.
Speaker 3:gotta move it up, though I like the idea of getting more horror higher up too, like you were saying, like there's horror representation, but it's all pretty low. Um, I did one also in response to your earlier of saying royal tenenbaums, you want to move it down, I want to move royal tenenbaums up I love royal tenenbaums higher than 28
Speaker 3:yeah, I would move it, would I? I don't know, maybe it's in a good place. I like it more than some of these like 10 to 15. I'm not a huge lord of the rings person, so, yeah, maybe that's part of the reason why I would maybe like trade it. I don't Lord of the Rings needs to stay up where it is though, because it's legendary. But, yeah, royal Tenenbaums is one I'd really love to move up a little bit. And, um, phantom Thread, as you were just mentioning thirties to forties, for me that one is, or sorry, the amount it comes into my mind and the amount that I think of that film, um, is a lot higher than that for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, another one I would love to see get up. Uh is get out.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's top of my list too, yeah.
Speaker 2:We're 17. Uh, especially if we're getting, if I'm taking everything everywhere all all at once out at 13, then we can. We can get get out above La La Land as much as I love La La Land, but like yeah it's a better film Get out.
Speaker 2:Um, I also had Zodiac. Uh, as you know, I know a lot of people, you know, it kind of always comes down to the social network or Zodiac. It kind of depends on the day that you ask me which one is better, but I I do think zodiac is is a a monumental masterpiece from david fincher, who you know, very important filmmaker of the 21st century. I think we need to get that up. And then the last one I'll touch on. I was really happy and surprised to see this movie on the list, uh, at 87. The master, yeah, kaylee just interacted with last night. She went and saw it again on 70 millimeter. I hate that movie. I would love to see that moved up to, like you know, within the top 50, um, because I I just think it again, when it comes to pta, you know everyone's going to go to there will be blood right away in the century. But the master to me is, like you know, like one B right, like it is just just below the social network.
Speaker 1:So you're putting you're putting that above phantom thread, though. Yes, probably, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:Wild. Uh, yes, probably, yeah, okay, yeah, wild really hates the master. I don't get it, it's just so depressing.
Speaker 3:Like I walked out. I was like, and I really was paying attention. The first my review was like at least this time the second watch, I didn't walk out mad at pta for making me feel stupid. The second time I at least understood it, and I still hate it.
Speaker 2:The first time. It just went over my head Four or five times. I really understand what's going on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe I need to watch it more I don't know if I can, though it's such a sad. It's just so dark, it's hard to watch.
Speaker 1:It is. Yeah, I don't know, that's it. It's a tricky movie for me too, where I've had some like four or five star feelings about the film, and then I think the last time I reviewed it on letterboxd, I was like I don't, like I don't know, I don't know what he's, I don't know what the mission is behind that movie, really, um, okay, so then the last movie that I would love to move up, I think the mission started the mission I think is philip seymour homan as a cult leader, like that is the mission of that movie.
Speaker 2:The mission is figuring out the meaning of man. And are we animals or are we?
Speaker 1:Respectfully, though enough. Enough people have tried that and shown us that, and you know, yeah, I don't know it's. It's a very it's a polarizing film, and I love polarizing movies. Okay, the last movie that I want to keep but move up is our 63rd entry, which is Blade Runner 2049. I just revisited this movie the other night. This movie needs to be top 35, especially on a list that does value. However, not necessarily focus on franchises and remakes and legacy sequels and things of that nature, but, like you could definitely put this movie in the top 40 and it I think it should be right there with something like gladiator or um, what else is right here? Like spider-man into the spider-verse?
Speaker 3:I think gladiators could be moved down also, gladiators a little high.
Speaker 1:So so, not only because this movie is just like visual and auditory ASMR for sci-fi nerds Like it is, it is incredible Every single time I rewatch this movie when I think about what Denny pulled off and, honestly, even though this movie is not that long ago it's like 2017, before he was really Denny Villeneuve, you know and so there was so much speculation coming into this movie and not that it necessarily bombed, but I think it's only grown in appreciation.
Speaker 1:And, going back to Zodiac, we have to do an episode Max at some point on movies that I feel like podcasting and social media and letterbox have just totally reclaimed. Because, like I was in the theater for Zodiac weekend one and I remember reviews of that movie and everyone hated Zodiac. Like everyone hated Zodiac, just like how everyone hated Miami Vice, and it's just kind of like it's this hive mindset of like people actually tell you it's good and then I think, like the culture just starts to believe it, but when the thing was good all along, it's not really like anyone's to blame for that. It's just like I don't know. It's just you needed, I don't know you needed philip seymour hoffman as your cult leader to tell you what to do.
Speaker 3:Almost you know know, yeah, I feel like Blade Runner, for Vinov is like the master of PTAs, like career almost like, but it's such a slower burn and it's like a little like less, whereas like Arrival it's so methodical that movie and the Ryan Gosling performance is so good.
Speaker 1:The Harrison Ford role doesn't feel shoehorned in or something that was done like his role in like a star wars movie or something like that. On a day armis is really good in the movie. Jared leto is this perfect balance of like weird and creepy but also like very he's. He's very actorly in the role, also like he's playing a great bad guy. Um, and so, yeah, you just what denny was able to take on with that movie, following ridley scott's footsteps. You know hans zimmer on the score trying to do what vangelis did on the original score, like everyone, roger deakins behind the camera, like everyone crushed, crushed it with that movie, and so, and and this is also in response like I'm sorry if this takes one of your guys's answers from later, but the fact that there's no Sicario on this list, the fact that there's not another Denny Villeneuve movie on this list besides the Dune films, I'm like Blade Runner 2049, even though it's a lot of the same, it's sci-fi.
Speaker 2:And Arrival is on here.
Speaker 1:Arrival is on here, right Arrival is yeah 20 inch, or pretty high up too. Yeah, it is. That's, that's true. Thanks for catching that. But I was like blade runner's got to get out of the 60s. It's got to get out of the back half and into the top half yeah, yeah, I totally agree max.
Speaker 3:Do you have one more? Do you want to move up?
Speaker 2:I have one more no, no children of men.
Speaker 3:Zodiac the master my last one is almost famous, I think, when we were talking about some of these ones. I would move down, like up in this gladiator. So I'd move Almost Famous is 51, and I would move it up to, like, yeah, the early 30s, like up here.
Speaker 2:Almost Famous is like such a 90s movie.
Speaker 3:It really does right, but that's what I love about it and it's just like to me the nostalgia of it more Philip Seymour Hoffman also. He's also in that, um, but yeah, I think, and also just like the capturing of the 70s, like the capturing of that time, which you don't really have on this list anywhere else. And especially if you're going to go with recency like now, we like love the 70s and like I don't know, I just feel like that film and what Cameron Crowe did with it, it's interesting because it's kind of his like I don't want to I don't know if I'm completely correct this but like kind of his one hit wonder, like that's like his big, like best movie he ever made. Oh yeah, jerry Maguire people always talk about that one too. Yeah, I love Jerry Maguire, but yeah, so I think that like yeah, I think Al Stamos could have moved up, um, but that's my last one, I think okay, so then, um, let's let's talk about some movies that we would.
Speaker 1:We've we've already brought a few of them up, but these are ones that we just want to remove completely from the list. So not move them down, but just clear them. Uh, what do you have here?
Speaker 2:we'll start with you, max knives out okay, yeah, I've mentioned a couple times ryan johnson, very lovely person. We got to meet him at a screening, took a picture with me, signed my looper dvd um very, you.
Speaker 3:Replaced is looper 2000s. Yeah, looper could be loopers, loopers in there.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's a a top 100, but uh, dvd. You said looper d, love it, love it, um, uh, but I would take knives out uh off this list. Uh, memento uh, I've for a long time. I think this is the weakest film from Christopher Nolan. Uh, well, no, excuse me, 10. It's the weakest film from Christopher Nolan, but uh, this is second for me. Uh, it's just's just. I, I just do not like Memento, which I know is like kind of a crazy thing to say.
Speaker 3:Uh, I don't think it's a little dark and gritty for you, max, I get it no, no, not at all.
Speaker 2:And also like we are. Nolan is represented, he is represented. Let's take Memento off. Let's stop pretending that this is like when every movie needs to be recognized yeah, um, and then sinners.
Speaker 2:I would take sinners off. Yeah, um, because, again, even though favorite, again, favorite film of the year, like fantastic, will be on this list five years from now, um, but it does not need to be on the 2025 list the same year, you know, six months after it came out, it does not need to be on this list. It definitely doesn't need to be on the 52nd movie on this list what are you uh scrubbing from the list, kaylee?
Speaker 3:so my first joke is just like anything I haven't seen, remove it.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my main. Okay, I'm just going to go for it. It's going to go in hot holdovers. I would remove. It's way too recent. It wasn't that great in my opinion it's. It's solid, but that's my feeling about it. And then gone girl. I love gone girl. It's actually a huge comp for a script I'm writing and I love Gone Girl, love Fincher. But I don't know, I don't know if it's top 100. I mean, it's pretty low though. I think it's fine where it's at. But if I had to remove something, these are all great movies. I don't really want to remove anything from the list. Gone Girl maybe for me, and which I know I'm wrong about, like I literally know I'm wrong about inside Llewyn Davis, but I just don't. I don't have a. I need to rewatch it.
Speaker 1:I did not have like a strong reaction to it. Reactions Max I saw you shaking your head a lot there.
Speaker 2:Well, first off, uh, kaylee, uh, inside is in a case right behind you. So, uh, fire in a case right behind you, so you can fire it up whenever you want. Again, another movie about the meaning of being a man, which is, you know, tough, so important.
Speaker 3:You're really trying to figure that one out, huh, Max Just kidding, just kidding.
Speaker 2:What other bad thing did you say?
Speaker 3:I love.
Speaker 1:How you forget everything I said gone, girl, okay part of me thinks girl with a dragon tattoo should be here instead of gone girl oh yeah, if you're taking gone girl off, I think dragon tattoo has to go on more impressive, just more impressive to me.
Speaker 2:So I get that. I get that feeling that Gone Girl needs to be off.
Speaker 1:So the movies that I would like to see completely removed already discussed everything everywhere all at once At 13,. I'm not even trying to move it back, I'm just trying to clear it off. It's really funny to like. I get that it's going to stay on these lists for a really long time. However, the tide is already starting to shift, like anytime that there is a screen grab of a top 20 list where this film is included, I always screenshot one of the. It's always inevitably going to become one of the top comments on this post and I'll send it to max because it's somebody saying like how long until we can be honest about everything everywhere all at?
Speaker 1:once like that the mindset of like I don't know if it was the pandemic, I don't know if it's because the marvel fatigue, the superhero fatigue was so big and this felt close to that, but in this sort of like art house, international flavor that folks thought was like a lot more fun to support. I don't know. It's just it's a movie that has never worked for me and that I think a lot more people are starting to come around on. Obviously not for this list, as it's still so high. Another movie that I have been on the corner for with my pitchfork since its release in 2006 is the Departed. The Departed clocks in at 25. Get it out of here. It's really high. It's the kind of movie that we made so many of from like 1985 to 2007.
Speaker 1:And this one just happened to have a great cast and be directed by martin scorsese. The story is not interesting at all and the performances have only aged like they've only become they, they're, they've really aged poorly. Yeah, they've only become more laughable, really. Um, aside from maybe, like I think leo is still actually great in the movie and I think damon is also really, really good in the movie everybody else you're just like, what are we doing here, like it feels like an snl skit and so the departed can leave. And then a movie that, like you want, so many of these films do have their like cultural footprint, and so I get why something like everything everywhere all at once is still on the list. That's a best picture winner. I get why the departed is on the list that's another best picture winner. Like they're gonna have their fan clubs.
Speaker 1:Max, you liked this movie. Maybe you really liked this movie. I don't think you loved this movie when it came out. Some people loved this movie when it came out. When was the last time you heard someone talk about tar?
Speaker 2:that's interesting hot's 68.
Speaker 1:You want to talk about like a nothing burger of of a movie. As far as, like remembering it or what you know, we talked about the master, like what was this? What was this movie trying to say? You know, like this person, lydia tar, you like I went into the movie thinking like, oh, is this a real person? Am I, is this sort of like a based on the real?
Speaker 1:it's not even you know like, that's just we're asking to be invested in something that just feels like so inconsequential by the end of of the movie and um yeah, and people I don't know, tarr is nothing to me yeah, when I, when I was so excited to see that movie, I saw it a little like late, like I didn't.
Speaker 3:I saw it like many months after it been released and like people were just like I don't know if you're gonna like it. It's so weird. I don't know if you're like gonna like it, it's so like and it's not even weird.
Speaker 1:It's not even that weird it really surprised me.
Speaker 3:When I started watching it I was like there's like two very short experimental sequences, like very short, there's like two or three. It's just like, and there's some like cool bisexual lighting, like the hartman has like cool lighting, like there's like some cool things in it. But yeah, it's like not. Yeah, I'm with you, that's an interesting one.
Speaker 1:When I saw that someone was when, I was surprised by too, because it's so, it's so recent, so recent and just was like another thing, yeah yeah um, max, you mentioned sinners, and then I've already mentioned this one too, but I could do without, especially since it's barely making the cut at 93. We can take Killers of the Flower Moon off this list, and now maybe that's one that in 10 years has been reclaimed. You know, max I think you've said this before that like we are going to come around on this movie Kaylee sounds like you agree as well, but like as it stands right now, I don't think there's there's any need to have Killers of the Flower Moon on this list. Maybe if for no other reason than to say, like, look at the time it still was appreciated in a way that maybe, like the awards bodies didn't give it enough attention, but it was kind of more of an honorable mention for me. Here, the big ones are everything everywhere all at once the departed and tar Nice. Okay, now, this is the last two, our final sections here. Save these for the end, because they're the ones that I'm sort of most interested in. This is where we can have a lot of fun Three movies that have that are not on this list at all, and three movies that have that are not on this list at all.
Speaker 1:Um, and of course there can be others, like I have. I think I have like eight movies written down here. I have my big three there, but um movies that you two would add to the the top 100 list I, I wrote down 15 movies.
Speaker 2:So uh, you guys go first, I'm dead okay so I'm gonna go with a few.
Speaker 3:What am I doing here? Okay, so, because I also wrote on a lot, but I have three, I'm going to get it narrowed down to three. I'm going to add Josie and the Pussycats is such a representative of our time and, like corruption and the media, I want it to be added. Since they just decide that movies that just came out should be on the list, would add the substance substance was so good.
Speaker 3:If we're gonna go with these weird recent movies. I would add the substance and I would add best in show as a final like comedy, because that is my favorite all-time comedy love christopher guest. Where is christopher guest? I don't even I had to look at that. I was also like three. I added that were 1999, of course, because 1999 is the best year. There were like three. I was like. I would add.
Speaker 1:I was like oh nope, it's 99 I was saying I I almost did that as well. I love those pics. So, because you're doing a lot of what you're doing, the work that we talked about should have. That should have been done at the beginning where, like, by adding the substance, we're getting more, even more international flair. Yeah, we're adding a female director, josie and the pussycats, more of a female story and, best in Show, more diversity within genres by adding a comedy. So those are all great picks, okay. So I'll do a couple honorable mentions first here and kind of save my big three, because I wonder if Max and I have any crossover. I mentioned Sicario. I think Sicario has got to be on this list. I think that Melancholia from Larsario has got to be on this list. I think that melancholia from lars von trier should should be on this list.
Speaker 3:That's on my list too, yeah yeah, um.
Speaker 1:I also think that the dreamers from 2003, bernardo bucciatelli's film, um, should be on this list, and then I also I already mentioned um a few other yorgos films the killing of the sacred deer I think there's a great argument for that. You could probably even make the argument for something like the lobster. The movie, though, that that needs to be on the top 100 list is dog tooth, and I know dog tooth is about to have, I think, a 15 year anniversary 4k restoration come out. That's going to make its um. It's going to make a cycle um around in theaters, and and then, hopefully, it gets um redistributed, like the 4k scan um for a boutique blu-ray release, because that's a movie that just more people need to see. He has never been more famous than he is now, and so I would love to see dog tooth be on this list to help raise some of that awareness as well. But, again, those are only honorable mentions. My big three are still to come.
Speaker 3:I still haven't seen Dogtooth all the way through. Just want to say that I would vote the lobster over Dogtooth being on the list, but I love the idea of getting more yogas in here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Do you kind of have like a big three and then another tier, Max, that you want to go through? You can do it.
Speaker 2:Max Well, so Best in Show is the first one I thought of, and Kaylee touched on that. I also had Sicario on here. I would love to see the big three.
Speaker 2:I guess 25th Hour right, Because we need to get Spike on this Like that cool and I think that movie is like one of his most underrated films and is is fantastic. There's no Michael Mann on the list and I am a huge collateral fan, so I would love to see that put on there and then you know, I mean, if we're going to throw some more horror in there. I think the Witch does deserve to be on the top 100 as the Eggers representation out of the films he's made so far.
Speaker 1:The Lighthouse did clock in in 97.
Speaker 2:Which is surprising. It's surprising the Light over the witch.
Speaker 3:I agree where I love that makes sense, I think that I'm not a horror head, though I'm not a horror head but yeah, the lighthouse is.
Speaker 1:I think the lighthouse in the moment got more attention. But again, you want to talk about the movies that have lived on. I think that. I mean, I think that they both have lived on already, but but the witch has more legs already. That was a 2015 film and the lighthouse was 2019 yeah, yeah, uh, yeah.
Speaker 2:I just, I I think the witch and the witch is a bit more, like you know, classic, like through horror listen, the witch is scary as fuck.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think the lighthouse is like doing so much more to forward the art form.
Speaker 2:The lighthouse to me is with the black and white and the aspect ratio yes and no.
Speaker 3:Those are also kind of gimmicks, kind of, but also even the way the story plays out.
Speaker 1:Is it one person, is it two people?
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, and the drunken. There's more to chew on the sequences and the way the camera is moving and those crazy sequences between defoe and robert pattinson, like those performances are so much more exciting to me. I mean I feel like the best part of the witch is the goat.
Speaker 1:the best performance in the witch is an animal but but honestly again, like you, could you, if, if you did one of these street interviews that you see on Instagram or whatever, and and you ask, oh, do you like movies? And someone says yes, and you know, you ask him, what's black, who's Black Phillip, or what movies Black Phillip from, I think a lot of people are going to be able to answer the witch Like, even though that was sort of said in jest, I think that that shows the movie's impact. Is that like? It is very? I mean, there's room for both. If I'm, if I'm making this room for both.
Speaker 2:How about this? I'll I'll retract the witch. Since we already have eggers on here, I'd like to put green room on the list, cause again, another movie that, like I've I've recommended a lot and, like everyone who comes, everyone who watches it and comes back to me says that movie was amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have a few notable mentions, A few quick ones. Sexy Beast, Love Blazer Under the Skin. You brought Under the Skin earlier. I would vote Under the Skin over Sexy Beast probably.
Speaker 1:And Under the Skin. To be be fair is on the critics list.
Speaker 3:It just didn't make the readers list yeah, so good, one of my favorites, super inspirational, um. And then this is kind of a niche female filmmaker, one honey boy, and not niche, like it's not like nobody knows about it, but like niche, meaning like maybe it's not deserving of being on this list but like maybe I would add it to this list because I think that it does some really interesting things, like the beginning with like lucas hedges on like the the big setup and he's doing the shia labeouf bit where he's like the movie star, like there's just like some really cool creative bits in that one that I think are groundbreaking potentially. And my two last mentions velvet underground doc by todd haynes is really dope, highly suggest watching. Just like really cool visuals.
Speaker 2:There's like no documentaries on this list.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know if documentaries even are applicable. Maybe they're not even considering them, I'm sure probably not, because I feel like our generation is so documentary crazed.
Speaker 2:They would probably a bunch in there. I think Grizzly man is on critics, it is. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And then, once again, if we're doing a recency, I would maybe do sing, sing, I think sing sing is pretty unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Um, but yeah, um, okay, so I mean my big three that I'm actually going to add here. Um, outside of my honorable mentions, this is also feeding two birds with one stone. We need more female directors on this list. We need more horror films on this list. So give me american psycho. You want to talk about a movie that?
Speaker 3:is crazy. It's not on there that is ever present.
Speaker 1:Um, whether it's in meme culture or you know, you talk about brad easton ellis as an author and the adaptation and the choices made from page to script, like it is. American psycho is just one of the most influential, darkly and deeply funny, while also being disturbing, movies of this century, and so shout out to Mary Herron for everything she did in directing that film. Um, shout out, patrick Bateman, just like American Psycho is untouchable. It's literally eternal. That movie's live on forever and so American Psycho needs to be on this list. Donnie Darko, for a lot of the same reasons, needs to be on this list.
Speaker 1:I can't believe that neither of those two films are there because, again, you do this, you can do this filter on Letterboxd where you go popular this week, these movies are not in the top 10. They might not be in the top 20, but you look, max and I did this like quick exercise last week, sort of off air, before we signed off. I went on there and right next to movies like Get Out and Lady Bird and other and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, movies that have no real reason to stick around within like the top 20 to top 40. As far as, like most popular, popular, most popular and most watched and re-logged movies. You know, it's not like there's another um jake gyllenhaal movie coming out so people are revisiting his, his movies. Or it's not like richard kelly, who really is a one-hit wonder as a director, is like ever in the news or something like that. But for whatever reason, like donnie darko, is always being re-watched, it's always being talked about.
Speaker 1:There's so much iconography behind my character the soundtrack is, I think, universally considered one of the best soundtracks, uh, maybe ever. And so that that film 100 deserves to be on here. And then this third one I kind of struggled with, because I know that a lot has been made about the, the honesty of the storytelling, um, and maybe that's not even the right way to put it the adaptation, though, of sort of the true crime narrative that um helped write the script for zero dark 30, but like, zero dark 30 is one of the most propulsive cat and mouse, intense Crime stories I've ever watched like. And so again, we're doing a lot of stuff here. We're putting a Catherine Bigelow film in. In the movie, jessica Chastain's character is so good in this film I get that a lot of liberties were taken in trying to embellish the story and maybe make it more exciting than perhaps it really was.
Speaker 3:But, like, the tagline of the movie is the greatest manhunt in the history of the world.
Speaker 1:Literally, that is the tagline of the film. And you want to talk about the definition of a rewatchable. I can just like hear someone say a word that I know is used in a line of dialogue from that film and I'm like I need to go home and watch Zero Dark Thirty. Or like there's so much Like I see Chris, literally like I see Chris Pratt in some shitty Jurassic Park movie and I'm like I need to go watch Zero Dark Thirty because he's in that movie for like five minutes and he's awesome. Or like Mark Strong or Kyle Chandler, any of these people that just kind of populate like one or two scenes. I think about them. It's like who they are to me is their character in Zero Dark Thirty, and that has nothing to do um with with Chastain's character and and she's just amazing and as, as I think, just a phenomenal actress who's one of the best actors of our time.
Speaker 3:A hundred percent a couple years ago, right for tammy faye and so we were talking about that the other day like I haven't seen tammy faye, but I'm glad she got recognized.
Speaker 1:It's so great that she has the best actress um statue there, and and so zero dark 30 to me, um, I think needs needs to be on this list. And and so zero dark 30 to me, um, I think needs needs to be on this list. And if not zero dark 30, then put the hurt locker on there, because Catherine's Catherine's had a um I would say an abbreviated um career in the 2000 and the two thousands. You know she hasn't made as many films as a lot of people would like her to make, but the stuff that she made is has all been really solid and so, yeah, for me it's zero dark 30 as as the one that should be on there yeah, some other uh, so my long list I I also had shawn of the dead.
Speaker 2:I had uh prisoners. You know, if we're gonna take one of these off, let's put prisoners on there for Denny Steve Jobs.
Speaker 3:I hate Steve Jobs so much.
Speaker 1:Sorry, okay, what you just said is wait. What you just said is really interesting. You said signs, signs. Yes, signs are unbreakable. I didn't even think about this, but because we can't do the sixth sense right, that's 1999.
Speaker 2:No, we need night on there we do need night on here uh, and for my money it's signs unbreakable, I think.
Speaker 2:I think, definitely deserving as well. Um, you know as, and it could be a, you know it's a superhero movie that could, you know, take out spider-man across spider-verse or something like that, right, yeah, um, uh, what I said, 25th hour, but listen, I had pirates of the caribbean on my long list. Like the original pirates of the caribbean, uh was a monumental film for disney live action for uh big block summer blockbusters, you know know. It reintroduced Johnny Depp to a whole new generation, for better or worse, orlando Bloom, kara Knightley, jeffrey Rush, and like the year that movie came out, I mean that it's such a great representation of big blockbuster. But like the power of movies yeah it is cool.
Speaker 3:Does this have to do with playing Skull King, though? Is it because you just love the card game skull king, where you're pirates? There's this like game that we were playing, and we were watching pirates the caribbean, and max just seemed like he was in like heaven watching pirates of caribbean while like trying to win at this.
Speaker 2:Really fun, like skull king card game I of board games, I think is heightening his emotions on this one. Well, I'm just trying to define the.
Speaker 1:You know the definition of being you know, you mentioned not to interrupt but you mentioned orlando, bloom, kingdom of heaven, I think is one of these movies where like I think the the reclamation process has happened online for this film, in that people have have revisited it enough times and come around on it, so would like to see that as well.
Speaker 2:Francis Haw, which is on the critics it is on the critics list, yeah Little children, which again like it's just a movie that I feel like has been lost the time, but like, yeah, if we're going to take tar off, let's put Little Children in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the better, todd.
Speaker 2:Field film from this century. Castaway. I don't think there is a Tom Hanks movie on this list.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting, you're right.
Speaker 2:And listen, castaway again, just a singular, you know one person movie that's insane and one that is rewatched all the time.
Speaker 1:And one that feels like there's not too. I mean a lot of these movies. One of their defining traits are like was there sort of a monoculture moment around this movie and when Castaway came out, you could talk to anyone at a dinner party, barbecue at school, whatever it was, and like everyone had seen Castaway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I also have the aviator which I is I hold higher than the departed three 10 to Yuma. You know, I don't think there are any westerns, maybe a couple west.
Speaker 3:Those are both good picks.
Speaker 2:I like those but 310 to yuma for my money is like the best western of the 21st century. Um, catch me, if you can. There's very little spielberg on this list, or minority report, which I knowity Report made the critics list and I know Spielberg is. He is if this is the 21st, so he's like a 20th century director. But I still think Minority Report, or Catch Me, if you Can, you can find a spot for it. And then First Reformed from Paul Schrader. Yes, that should have been on the critics.
Speaker 3:That should have been on the critics. That should have been on the critics.
Speaker 2:That one's so good I don't know if it is, I don't I don't think it is.
Speaker 3:It should have been um.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think uh, but yeah, we need. We need a paul schrader movie on here I agree with that as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, so then, last one, as the list stands right now, with none of our additions, none of our subtractions, as the list reads, do you have a favorite section? And so what I mean by that is like, when you look at the list, are you like, wow, films 60 through 70 really speak to me, or do you feel like the top 10 is like really accurate and that's what you may be most aligned with? And so what is your favorite section of the list?
Speaker 1:um, I have a section uh 72 through 79 brother I got, I wrote 81 through or I wrote 71 through 80 wow, you guys are so insane cute uncut gems, spotlight, black swan boyhood.
Speaker 2:Worst person in the world, the prestige. Michael clayton, which is also another movie that could be moved up.
Speaker 1:Uh and young girl, yeah this was actually easier, easier than I thought. When I looked at it I was like this is so solid here, um, and, and you could even. You know, if you want to go from from 70 to 80, then you get the florida project in there and sean baker get some love. 71 is the tree of life. So terrence malik, because I also feel like, um, a new world could have been on here, but I'm happy that the Tree of Life is there. And then, yeah, you hit. You hit all the others Uncut Gems, spotlight, black Swan, boyhood, worst Person in the World, prestige, which, for my money, like the Prestige, is probably my favorite Nolan film. And then even, like you know, if you're going to have recency bias, not that Uncut Gems isn't recent, but Anatomy of Fall is super solid movie and to have that at 80 is, I feel like, pretty well placed. So, yeah, wow, great job.
Speaker 3:Bud Love that. So mine are both. I have like two kind of sections. I like what you guys did different numbers I was really trying to do like a 10, like keep it to the 10s, or like a, you know, like even um, I think I would do I mean, that's what we did 70 through 80, those are all 70 through 80 yeah, yeah totally yeah, but I did some in the middle as it makes more sense for me.
Speaker 3:I'm noticing like, if I do like this one, like 17 through 27, oh got, you okay get out, I was trying to keep it even there.
Speaker 3:It's like get out, moonlight, whiplash, arrival, children of men, grand boot, this, these three kind of skip grand budapest, oppenheimer, inception, the departed, and then porch of a lady on fire and dune, part two so, but the first, like that little pocket there, maybe like a fiver, like get out, moonlight, whiplash, arrival, children of men, that's my favorite good one that's my favorite pocket and then my other one is 36 or let's see.
Speaker 3:No, I haven't seen after sun, but I know I'm gonna love that one, so maybe I just. Yeah, I also haven't seen old boy, but I really love like ladybird. City of god. Call me by your name.
Speaker 3:I feel like that's a cool little pocket pan's labyrinth absolutely those four feels like a really good little pocket. Probably could add after sun I'm sure I'm gonna love that one. I can't wait to finally see it. Um, I haven't seen old boy, but yeah, also good. So, redoing this pocket so this would be 35 through 45, right? So after sun, ladybird, city of god, call me by your name pan's labyrinth, old boy, zodiac, little miss sunshine uh sorry, lauder.
Speaker 1:Two towers, wally water did you just call it lauder?
Speaker 3:isn't that what it is? Isn't that a thing?
Speaker 1:Lord of the Rings and people just say L-O-T-R really.
Speaker 3:I've heard Lauder. I've heard someone say that some of our listeners are going to be like, yeah, I've said Lauder, but okay.
Speaker 2:Hayley's promised me that she will be joining me on the.
Speaker 1:Lauder Red.
Speaker 3:Yes, I need to re-watch all of them I have two towers would be my choice if I were to choose one that I really love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, yeah, okay, well, I mean any any final thoughts, like any movie that we haven't really brought up, um, or anything else that that you guys want to give a shout out to. On this.
Speaker 3:You didn't get to give your zola, wasn't zola one you were saying earlier. You were like I want to talk about zola, or well just I brought it up.
Speaker 1:I brought it up real quick when I said you know, something that I'm unhappy with was that the women directors in the bipoc yeah representation, and so zola fits into both those categories.
Speaker 1:Janick sabravo, as the director, I think, would have loved to have seen that. That's also where, like I brought up the substance, you did as well. Yeah, um, but yeah, I mean in that there's a lot of movies there, you know. That's also where katherine bigelow got got mentioned earlier with the, with the hurt locker, but promising young woman, 12 years, a slave, roma, like these are all films that were nominated for academy awards.
Speaker 1:You know, if not best picture, um, you know titan wins the palm d'or, it it can when that film comes out, and so I didn't know that one won palm d'or, that's I was I was really surprised, um, to not see some of those films on this list, especially because I feel like a lot of the, you know, out of the 200 000 people that voted online here, um, or who submitted their lists online, that for the most part, I feel like those are films that maybe they just maybe they don't have that like um, and not that donnie or american psycho made the list, but like maybe they just don't kind of have that that ever presence feel to them. Yet, you know, like it takes a minute to kind of think about like oh, yeah, god, roma was so good. Or like, yeah, promising young woman really was. Like I have promising young woman still. It's like that one of my top three favorite movies of the of the 2020s, nice, like that was just such a a high, I think, for for not only carrie mulligan but emerald finnell as well, and so, um, yeah, there's, there's that, and then I mean I just haven't, I haven't really brought up just because I think it's, I think it's well placed.
Speaker 1:Like if I was making this list, it would probably be top 30 as well. Um, but just happy that it was there, and so, like, if you haven't seen the handmaiden, go watch the handmaiden. You know Park Chan-wook has another film coming out this year, so I think a lot of people are going to be revisiting his filmography here soon. But like that's one of my favorite movies of all time, honestly. And and then, yeah, aside from that, I mean I think everything I love seeing in Glorious Bastards and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, both in the top 30, because those are the two Quentin movies I think that I kind of waffle back and forth between being like his best stuff and especially if we can't include something like Pulp Fiction, because this is a 21st century list, then I think that those are pretty well placed as well on this list.
Speaker 3:I was going to add one more notable mention of like on the list. I think they're on this like city of God, Like I feel like most cinephiles have seen city of God but, if you are not a full on cinephile or you have not missed that one, that's to me could be even moved up and it's just, yeah, one of the best movies ever. I love it.
Speaker 1:I think that's a great. I always talk about that film as being like a great gateway movie into trying to get into international cinema, like if you haven't watched a lot and and you're trying to figure out like what you're looking for and you're really, and if and if you like, if I can tell someone serious in in the question, then I'm like, yeah, sit down and watch city of god. It's over two hours and it's a little challenging and it's a little violent at times, but like it's going to feel like you're watching a 90s scorsese movie. It's going to feel like you're watching yes, it's going to feel like you're watching a 90s Scorsese movie. It's going to feel like you're watching Goodfellas. It's going to feel like you're watching something familiar.
Speaker 3:Yes, en Profet, the French film which is on the critics list, I believe, also, is one that's like that. You get these like America, kind of like American film has this crime element. That kind of can give you a crossover where it feels familiar but is much darker and crazier because it's international.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Different where it feels familiar but is much darker and crazier because it's international.
Speaker 2:Yeah, different, different rules. Yeah, alex just paid me a huge compliment because city of God was definitely in early, like when we were 15, 16,. Alex, let me borrow that DVD. So thank you for thinking I'm serious.
Speaker 1:Oh, I knew you were serious from the jump.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um man no oh I knew you were serious from the jump.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, um, serious man. No, this is great, and I guess I should. You know, we did say that comedies were a little underrepresented. As I'm doing one more scroll, we did give mean girls it's flowers. Um, you know, bridesmaids, is it 90? Yes, the best, and, and so there are a few, and barbie, you know, is if, if you are going to be, you know, putting Barbie in a video store, you're putting Barbie in the comedy section. So there are, there are some comedies on here as well.
Speaker 1:Also, you know, max, you touched on the animated stuff, but we didn't really get to talk about like Pixar's influence or Disney's influence too much. And that's not to say that it's not here and we did it by design. But like wally's on the list, ratatouille's on the list, I think that those are well placed and and happy to see. Um, what was the other one up up is on the list. Yeah, we talked about the two miyazaki movies that are on the list and so, for the most part, I mean like it'll be interesting to hear some feedback and see if people just think we bitched this entire episode I have one more add in Go ahead.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna find, I'm gonna book in my thoughts by saying that, like in totality, when I look at this list, I feel pretty good about it. I feel like the readers, for the most part, got a lot of stuff right as far as at least including movies that have stood the test of time and, I think, will continue to stand the test of time I love that.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to add one more, like we're thinking about filmmakers that got in, or like, uh, thinking of like adam mckay, who I love. He has money ball, money ball is on here which is a brilliant film, but like at least for me.
Speaker 3:my mom and I talk about the big short, like all the or like the big short is like a constant um, or even something like vice, which was very like challenging and weird and crazy. Anyway, just thinking we could maybe, if there was room to pull some things out, add some more. Adam McKay, Cause he is him and his editor as a combo are like two of my favorite cinematic brains.
Speaker 2:They're very funny, they're and they're very funny they're, and they're great because they combine humor and drama so well, like dark comedy. They're, they're, they're kings, just just a little correction there.
Speaker 3:Adam mckay did not do moneyball, so I didn't cut it out. Why do I think of that as his style, though?
Speaker 2:but anyway oh well, either way there should be adam mckay here. Um, something I just noticed actually. Uh, moonlight is behind la la land, which I think is is a really bad move. Uh, moonlight won the the best picture and moonlight, honestly, should be up probably in that nine spot for eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. I don't know how you two feel about that movie, but, uh, I think moonlight uh deserves to be in the top 10. I mean, I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 1:I think moonlight, moonlight can replace one of those n to be in the top 10. I mean, I definitely agree with that. I think Moonlight. Moonlight can replace one of those Nolan films in the top 10. Mad Max even yeah, or Mad Max. I think Get Out could replace either of those films. Also Eternal Sunshine, you know. Yeah, also Adam.
Speaker 3:McKay was a writer on Moneyball. For that, thank you.
Speaker 2:And then also I love that out of all three of the low tar movies, Fellowship is the first one on the list, at number 14, because I feel like Alex and I have always been on Fellowship Island where we believe that is the best of the three, so that's cool to see that represented.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do agree with that. I think they got the rankings of all three Loader movies correct.
Speaker 3:Two Towers is my favorite, but okay.
Speaker 1:I think that's the. Yeah, I mean that's for a separate podcast.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've had enough, we've had enough, we've had enough.
Speaker 1:Pretty good stuff, though I tried to run. I went over to good old chat GPT and I tried to copy and paste my Letterboxd physical media owned list and have it cross-reference with this list to see if it could tell me how many of these movies I own. And it needed me to, like, individually list my movies and not just give it a link.
Speaker 1:And I was like, well, I'm not going to sit here and even like, try to export 400 movies off this list and to telling you, but, like if I was going to give a rough estimate, I would say that I mean we, we all kind of put our little emojis. I think there's only there. There's, there's less than 10 of these films that I haven't seen, but when it came, when it comes to like how many I own, I would probably put it at about like 40 to 50 percent I would say I probably own of these films. So just another sort of testament to to the longevity of them. I don't know where you sort of stand with those between the two of your collections which I'm sure I hate that.
Speaker 3:I know this much about AI, but if you send it screenshots, it should be able to process.
Speaker 1:Interesting Okay.
Speaker 2:I yeah out of the, out of the top 100, I think I was sitting at like eight that I haven't seen. As far as owning, I mean probably 60% somewhere around there.
Speaker 3:I would guess like 30%.
Speaker 2:Are you kidding? I mean I own. Are you kidding?
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't have any.
Speaker 2:I own one through 10, at least right. And then I own, we own 11, 12.
Speaker 1:You own Mulholland Drive. I believe we do own. I believe we have a copylland Drive.
Speaker 2:I believe we do own. I believe we have a copy, don't we?
Speaker 3:No, we don't.
Speaker 2:We don't.
Speaker 3:I was like there would be zero excuse, there would be zero excuse, I've recently been noticing that Max thinks he has more than he has, I'll be like talking about movies.
Speaker 2:Oh, we have that at home and I'm like, no, we have. We have Lost Highway, we have Inland Empire.
Speaker 3:Those aren't on here.
Speaker 2:Right, I thought we had Mulholland Drive. Well, yeah, anyways, I'm waiting to see Mulholland Drive in a theater. Also, we haven't mentioned the number one movie on this list. Yeah fair, which is Bong Joon-ho's Parasite. Yeah, from 2019. Again, I guess it's not in the 2020s, so maybe it's out of the recency bias thing, but, um, just pretty incredible that that is, as far as a reader's choice, the number one movie of the of the yeah, it's on both.
Speaker 1:It's number one, number one it is on both is number one, yeah that's pretty, that's pretty amazing I, the interesting thing about that is that it's it feels so chalk now, um, and and I would say over the last like three years, it's probably been this way where, like it's just like, oh yeah, parasite, like it's the best movie of of the 21st century and every time I watch it I love it, I think it's a five-star movie, but like, even when we did our bong episode, um, you know, it all comes down to personal preference, right, but like I rather watch memories of murder, which I, I know is on the critics list, I'm not sure it's on this list as well.
Speaker 1:49, 49 okay, um, and and and again. This is another like it's another really good entry point for people, I think, to get into international cinema, right like it's. It's a familiar feeling. It's kind of like it's almost fincher-esque, um, it's, it's this great like soft thriller, family drama, thriller, that that I think just like it's really palatable. It's really easy for people to to sort of digest while watching something that feels new and exciting. And so, yeah, I mean, if it's going to be the defining movie of of the 21st century, I think I'm okay with that. You know, like, we'll, we'll see.
Speaker 1:I don't. I don't really see anything on this list having some sort of like second life that that would jump it. You know, like I think Mulholland Drive is probably going to stay in that top 10. I think that the two from 07, there Will Be Blood and no Country for Old Men will stay in this list. I or in the top 10, you know think something like spirited away will stay in the top 10, but I don't see any of those like making a push to to jump parasite.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, maybe we have, we just haven't seen it yet yeah, yeah, all right, well, that'll.
Speaker 1:That'll do it for our conversation on the new york times top 100 films reader's choice edition of the 21st century. Kaylee, thanks so much for joining us again. We, of course, hope you enjoyed your time on the New York Times Top 100 Films Reader's Choice Edition of the 21st Century. Kaylee, thanks so much for joining us again. We, of course, hope you enjoyed your time on the show. As for what's next, here on the podcast, we have one of our collective most anticipated films of the year releasing this weekend Zack Craigor's Weapons. His follow-up to Barbarian opens wide and is sure to stir up quite the discussion. Max, I know you're ready for this one. Um, what are you looking? Highly anticipated, uh cannot wait.
Speaker 2:Uh, scary children running down a street.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, it's got it I haven't watched the early buzz is good early buzz is good.
Speaker 2:I've stayed away from trailers, apart from, like the, I think, the first teaser that came out. Yeah, yeah, I, I'm hoping, I'm hoping to see another top five movie of the year this weekend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very excited for this one, so that would probably be more of like a traditional review episode next week and, and and that's in us hoping that it gives us enough to sort of chew on here for 45 minutes or so. So that'll be a lot of fun. Until next time, of course, please follow excuse the intermission on Instagram and the two of us on letterboxd to track what we're watching between shows, and we'll talk to you next time on ETI, where movies still matter. Bye, thank you.
